Opinions On Rank Of Best Damage Dealers

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 Siren.Enternius
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By Siren.Enternius 2009-10-28 14:58:43  
Engetsuto alone would beat Leviathan's Couse.

Tomoe trumps both of them though.

-Speaks in Layman's terms-
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By Bahamut.Satanas 2009-10-28 14:58:58  
i wanna see a picture of that please :)
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By Fairy.Berserkerjr 2009-10-28 14:59:46  
WTF I can't quote Veg? lol.

We can parse Veg, just not tonight I don't think. I'll let ya know when I'm ready to do it. Yes?.

EDIT: Overwhelm can be +19%dmg alright... When you're IN FRONT of the mob right?.
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By Bahamut.Rumaha 2009-10-28 14:59:58  
I'll say 5 acc makes Tomoe and Couse(3 Base dmg) close, but how in any way shape or form will 2 acc beat 4 base dmg?
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2009-10-28 15:00:22  
Siren.Enternius said:
Engetsuto alone would beat Leviathan's Couse.

Tomoe trumps both of them though.

-Speaks in Layman's terms-

Sadly mistaken if you beleive 2 acc > 4 base DMG and 8 attack
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2009-10-28 15:00:56  
Fairy.Berserkerjr said:
WTF I can't quote Veg? lol.

We can parse Veg, just not tonight I don't think. I'll let ya know when I'm ready to do it. Yes?.

k
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By Siren.Enternius 2009-10-28 15:03:07  
Fairy.Vegetto said:
Sadly mistaken if you beleive 2 acc > 4 base DMG and 8 attack

If you have to waste a whole day to get a lackluster polearm with a low chance of dropping from a very difficult BCNM, yeah, I'll take Engetsuto before I waste my time.

Wouldn't mind Ifrit's Bow from there though...
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2009-10-28 15:03:10  
Quoting isn't working well at the moment I find :( just use [ quote] and [ /quote] without the spaces.
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By Bahamut.Rumaha 2009-10-28 15:04:38  
Fairy.Vegetto said:
Siren.Enternius said:
Engetsuto alone would beat Leviathan's Couse.

Tomoe trumps both of them though.

-Speaks in Layman's terms-

Sadly mistaken if you beleive 2 acc > 4 base DMG and 8 attack


This, and
Oh, http://www.ffxiah.com/item.php?id=18097 > Engetsuto,

Tomoe > Engetsuto

I mean it is close between Tomoe and Levi Couse, I'd like to see them against each other, but I aint getting Couse anytime soon and I have Tomoe so meh :s

Edit**

I have to keep Gondo for my WAR lol :o,

And the question was what is better, not what is better with a variable for which is harder to obtain <.<;;
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-10-28 15:09:04  
pup/blm
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2009-10-28 15:12:32  
Siren.Enternius said:
Fairy.Vegetto said:
Sadly mistaken if you beleive 2 acc > 4 base DMG and 8 attack

If you have to waste a whole day to get a lackluster polearm with a low chance of dropping from a very difficult BCNM, yeah, I'll take Engetsuto before I waste my time.

Wouldn't mind Ifrit's Bow from there though...

Just because you don't want to go through the effort to get it does not make it better, sorry.
That's like saying perdu > relic gax because you don't want to go through all the trouble associated w/ obtaining a relic.
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By Valefor.Integral 2009-10-28 15:28:08  
ITT: people who have reduced a game into mathematical equations that drain the fun completely and utterly from said game
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By Carbuncle.Taintedone 2009-10-28 15:38:49  
Ifrit.Kungfuhustle said:
Carbuncle.Taintedone said:
Paladin

Better DD than Mnk, Rng, Sam, Drk, or Chuck Norris.

/endthread.


you're only a 63PLD so STFU!


64 now >_>

Even at level 64 I'm able to see Paladin's awesomeness over every other DD in the game, and even some heavy DD outside the game, like Chuck Norris, Optimus Prime, He-Man, and Hulk Hogan's pasta al dente.

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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2009-10-28 19:48:55  
Carbuncle.Taintedone said:
Ifrit.Kungfuhustle said:
Carbuncle.Taintedone said:
Paladin

Better DD than Mnk, Rng, Sam, Drk, or Chuck Norris.

/endthread.


you're only a 63PLD so STFU!


64 now >_>

Even at level 64 I'm able to see Paladin's awesomeness over every other DD in the game, and even some heavy DD outside the game, like Chuck Norris, Optimus Prime, He-Man, and Hulk Hogan's pasta al dente.


that was funny, but still, PLD is not that awesome.
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By Kujata.Segaia 2009-10-29 02:26:30  
Hard to choose the best DDs... the problem is we all have certain mobs in mind where job X is best. So on physical resistant mobs SAM, WAR etc. are a bad choice... on the other hand if they are magical resistant forget about blm and sch. So "overall" hybrid jobs that have both magical and physical choices of dmg will win, IMO.

So if i had to make a list, wouldn't have certain mobs in mind and focus on the damage i guess it would be like:

1. BLU+PUP - not beatable, to many different damage types accessible + in good dmg
2. RDM - good magical dmg, melee dmg requires good equip + Enspells are a welcome boost
3. SMN - unfortunatly limited to BP-timer, but awesome with full - BP-time gear and can switch with RDM
4. RNG - with Trueflight build
5. COR - with Leaden Salute build
6. NIN - elemental wheel
7. DRK - Souleater and Drains
8. MNK - only with Formless Strikes (VERY argueable: 3 mins duration and 10 mins recast)
9. WAR + SAM + SCH + BLM - too focused on magic or melee + bad weapon choices for mages
10. rest

This is just another view of it. If you specify your damage for example on colibri parties etc. this list is will change dramatically of course. It is just an overall-dmg opinion of mine.
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By Pandemonium.Ironguy 2009-10-29 03:01:20  
Kujata.Segaia said:
I can't change jobs.


You should change jobs when you need to.
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By Kujata.Segaia 2009-10-29 03:08:24  
Pandemonium.Ironguy said:
Everyone has all jobs at 75.


Private server?
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By Pandemonium.Ironguy 2009-10-29 03:15:15  
Kujata.Segaia said:
800k exp is hard to get.


lol
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By Kujata.Segaia 2009-10-29 03:34:25  
Pandemonium.Ironguy said:
16907k exp is easy to get.


lol
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By Sylph.Oxbloodravenxo 2009-10-29 05:56:19  
Lakshmi.Bshizzle said:
Curious to see how people would rank the different damage dealing jobs according to best damage output. No restrictions on gear; looking for the very best.

I know right now everyone is all "sam sam sam" but I think a pimped out WAR trumps it. Also BLM is up there somewhere.


Physical DD

1.Sam> 2.Rng> 3.Drg> 4.War> 5>.Drk 6.Mnk> 7.Blu> 8.Cor> 9.Nin> 10.Thf> 11.Bst> 12.Lolpup> 13.Loldnc

Mage DD
1.Blm> 2.Sch> 3.Rdm> 4.Lolpupblm> 5.>Blu> 6.Whm (Banishhhhaga!) 7.For those who nuke on drk >.>
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By Bismarck.Maxse 2009-10-29 05:57:43  
BLM cannoit beat SCH ever
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By Kujata.Segaia 2009-10-29 06:18:24  
RDM over spiritreaver-automaton? never lol

Bismarck.Maxse said:
BLM cannoit beat SCH ever


/sign
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By Bismarck.Maxse 2009-10-29 06:23:24  
Kujata.Segaia said:
RDM over spiritreaver-automaton? never lol
Bismarck.Maxse said:
BLM cannoit beat SCH ever
/sign


blm is the worst dd of all the mages thier magic conservation is aweful
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By Bismarck.Maxse 2009-10-29 06:29:56  
pup outdoes pretty much every other job just no one reliezed it till now
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By Kujata.Argettio 2009-10-29 07:00:11  
Bismarck.Maxse said:
Kujata.Segaia said:
RDM over spiritreaver-automaton? never lol
Bismarck.Maxse said:
BLM cannoit beat SCH ever
/sign


blm is the worst dd of all the mages thier magic conservation is aweful


MP conservation is not the only measure of magical DD potential.

That's like saying a KC DRK is a rubbish DD as it can only deal damage for 30-60 seconds.

As with everything in this game... it is situational.
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By Sylph.Oxbloodravenxo 2009-10-29 07:03:30  
Kujata.Argettio said:
Bismarck.Maxse said:
Kujata.Segaia said:
RDM over spiritreaver-automaton? never lol
Bismarck.Maxse said:
BLM cannoit beat SCH ever
/sign


blm is the worst dd of all the mages thier magic conservation is aweful


MP conservation is not the only measure of magical DD potential.

That's like saying a KC DRK is a rubbish DD as it can only deal damage for 30-60 seconds.

As with everything in this game... it is situational.



I second this lol, blm is the better DD over SCH imo as it was meant to be.
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By Bismarck.Maxse 2009-10-29 07:06:38  
I unsecond this.SCH will beat BLM in short fights where you spam your mp pool as fast as possible due to them casting faster and using less mp per spell. And the gap will get even bigger in long fights due to the same reason. Please tell me how blm can beat SCH.
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By Kujata.Argettio 2009-10-29 07:13:06  
Sylph.Oxbloodravenxo said:

I second this lol, blm is the better DD over SCH imo as it was meant to be.


I am not state which is better, as then we go down the old (and very boring ) road of sch vs blm flame wars.

But being able to nuke for longer (due to better MP conservation) is not always an advantage if the fight doesn't last long enough for MP to be a concern.

Or (in the case of limbus or dynamis) the event involves free MP crates/statues.

But in something like einherjar where you need to keep a constantly high level out damage output for 30mins then being able to nuke constantly (I mean at least 3-4 a minute) for a long time is important.

Horses, courses etc

Bismarck.Maxse said:
I unsecond this.SCH will beat BLM in short fights where you spam your mp pool as fast as possible due to them casting faster and using less mp per spell. And the gap will get even bigger in long fights due to the same reason. Please tell me how blm can beat SCH.


The answer is AM II and Tier 3 -gas (where appropriate). They use a boat load of MP, but will do more damage than any T4. And due to how magic bursts work (a static percentage increase) these are gain more from bursting.
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By Bismarck.Maxse 2009-10-29 07:15:40  
It doesnt need to last long for the sch to outdue the black mage the fast cast from sch alone tips things in favor of sch even in short fights
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By Remora.Laphine 2009-10-29 07:28:44  
go to the blm vs sch thread maxse

thf > all

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