Cerberus.Geldric said:
You forgot the fang earrings Nightfyre.
Attack benefits a dnc ws more than anything else, when you're on the same page as us, you're welcome to talk.
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Attack benefits a dnc ws more than anything else, when you're on the same page as us, you're welcome to talk. So care to tell me how dnc is fater than sam again?
Fairy.Vegetto said: Ok, since you've skipped my math twice now, I'm going to assume you have no response to the fact that sam's max speed is faster than dnc's max speed. You did it wrong though, 25% haste for dnc + 10% for haste samba = 0.35 Leviathan.Veronika said: Yes, building flourish adds a huge amount of attack, acc, and crit rate to ws's. Too bad DE can't crit and you should be damn near capped acc anyways Fairy.Vegetto said: So care to tell me how dnc is fater than sam again? Daggers yo He said max speed... serioulsy read
Veronika said: You did it wrong though, 25% haste for dnc + 10% for haste samba = 0.35 I just fell out of my chair laughing. You are a selective reading professional. "You did it wrong though, 25% haste for dnc + 10% for haste samba = 0.35"
How did i do it wrong then? I gave you 70% haste 10 (samba) 25 (gear) 20 (marches) 15 (haste) = 70% haste Ramuh.Dasva said: Leviathan.Veronika said: Yes, building flourish adds a huge amount of attack, acc, and crit rate to ws's. Too bad DE can't crit and you should be damn near capped acc anyways Yea, Acc bonus II and acc rings, azoth, and a few other pieces add enough acc to stay at cap on most mobs. I suppose you could argue that 45% Double Attack rate on Joyeuse makes it faster than Polearm...But then you could also argue SAM has Soboro which is fast as hell.
Quote: "You did it wrong though, 25% haste for dnc + 10% for haste samba = 0.35"
How did i do it wrong then? I gave you 70% haste 10 (samba) 25 (gear) 20 (marches) 15 (haste) = 70% haste In case you missed it Siren.Enternius said: I suppose you could argue that 45% Double Attack rate on Joyeuse makes it faster than Polearm...But then you could also argue SAM has Soboro which is fast as hell. You're not thinking big enough ET. Love pole on a sam/drg with it proccing on jumps and double attacks and ws and ***! Also much easier 25% gear haste. Also have the sam eat the riceball that gives double attack with 3 enhances for 15% double attack and 150 attack!!! Soboro can activate on Jumps also.
I wasn't really using that as a convincing argument. I'm just saying, it can happen and make SAM faster hands-down. You're right Vegeto, Sam does attack slightly faster per round than dancer if they have a dancer in the party. But without a dancer, they attack approximately the same speed as a DNC would. Think Dnc would be a tidbit faster, though.
Siren.Enternius said: Soboro can activate on Jumps also. I wasn't really using that as a convincing argument. I'm just saying, it can happen and make SAM faster hands-down. True but it doesn't activate on double/triple attacks Ramuh.Dasva said: Siren.Enternius said: Soboro can activate on Jumps also. I wasn't really using that as a convincing argument. I'm just saying, it can happen and make SAM faster hands-down. True but it doesn't activate on double/triple attacks Also has a miserably lower DMG than the polearm. And polearm double attack stacks with WS too right? Leviathan.Veronika said: You're right Vegeto, Sam does attack slightly faster per round than dancer if they have a dancer in the party. But without a dancer, they attack approximately the same speed as a DNC would. Think Dnc would be a tidbit faster, though. If you're having a damage competition with a samurai, as a dancer, then of course the sam is going to have the a dancer in his pt, or they could not be parsing with each other. Fairy.Vegetto said: Leviathan.Veronika said: You're right Vegeto, Sam does attack slightly faster per round than dancer if they have a dancer in the party. But without a dancer, they attack approximately the same speed as a DNC would. Think Dnc would be a tidbit faster, though. If you're having a damage competition with a samurai, as a dancer, then of course the sam is going to have the a dancer in his pt, or they could not be parsing with each other. But the question is, does a sam do more actual damage per attack phase than a DNC to compensate for the marginally lower attack speed? Fairy.Vegetto said: Leviathan.Veronika said: Fairy.Azulmagia said: Leviathan.Veronika said: I've never partied with a single sam who used a polearm who never ws'ed less than 1000 in a party. Sure, they may get the RARE 1500 , but most the time they do like 900 damage. I'd like to see a sam out do me per-ws every time. If they beat me half the time i'd be impressed. With great katana they do even less. They may ws more often but they hit for 700-900 most the time with those ws's. ?_? Check the bold underlined part. Quite simply in other words it reads: I have never partied with a sam who hits 1000 every weaponskill. get better sams rofl.....u have had trash sam's of your server if they have problems breaking 1500 lol i have 0 merits and avg 1300-1500... A) Yes
B) More average dmg per ws too C) More TP from job abilities D) Sekkanoi can be used to make use of TP that overflows 100 Fairy.Vegetto said: D) Sekkanoki can be used to make use of TP that overflows 100 Wild Flourish can be used to solo Darkness? And you can use Building Flourish to give both WS and Skillchain damage a +30%? Idk. I really can't argue with SAM. Fairy.Vegetto said: A) Yes
B) More average dmg per ws too C) More TP from job abilities D) Sekkanoi can be used to make use of TP that overflows 100 Really to A? I haven't seen any sam's do that much damage per hit. How much do your average melee hits deal with both GK and Polearm? Go ahead and check the parses i posted a few pages back
As for GK, I don't use Gk in merit
My SAM is just awful but Polearm hits with Engetsuto (Lol) do 180-200 or so.
Not that it matters, seeing as how SAM only has to hit 4 times to be able to WS again. were talking bout polearms....
sam with minor store tp get 20tp a hit.... not to mention feed back from penta.... i can meditate at 80% and almost get off 3 ws's usually but.....by the time i would the bird is basically dead... that being said dnc being better dd is a useless argument case closed lol i dont need a parser to know that either.... Fairy.Vegetto said: 
Liger/Kny pt had no minuets, other 2 pts had 1 minuet, all 3 pts had 1 chaos roll Flourish can only make lvl1 and 2 skillchains. ALso you already admitted that your dnc only has 8-12 gear haste so even with samba with max merits you got 22 haste. My thf tps in 22% gear haste. With merc kris off hand I get an average of 3 hits per attack round not counting normal triple/double attacks. I'd still have a hard time convincing people I can do more dmg than a sam and that's even with a good ws set and SA/TA.
Ok, so melee for DNC does a decent amount more per attack phase. Plus they WS for damage that you have to at least aknowledge. I mean my dnc's gear isn't even NEAR the best of what it could be, but I still put up higher WS numbers than most players. Sure, I'll give it to you that a top of the line sam is better than my DNC. But the ones i find in pick up merit groups? Yea right.
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