You'll Shoot Your Eye Out! - New FFXI RNG Guide

This really depends on what approach you have. For example Logical in his videos about gear guides has sometimes dps difference of like 10 or 30 when dps is in few thousands or damage difference on WSes way less than few hundreds for WSes that do 20k+ and I haven't seen anyone complaining or laughing. Most items in this game is a matter of few hundreds in sea of thousends. Epaminondas ring that costs in tens of millions of gils will add few hundreds to some 20k WSs and I'm not even talking about difference between next best ring, which would be probably less the one hundred for some 20-40k WSs. So really it depends how serious you are about min maxing.

Another expected response with stating the obvious. Some of us do put immense amount of hours perfecting gears and strategies, spending millions for small gains nothing new. By all means, I spent 8 years making all RNG 7 R15 REMAs to experience how things truly preform at maximum stage and not just see it on paper. Just because some of us don't post here daily doesn't mean we don't understand/know/have/read/watch/share information. Your efforts are appreciated for posting 3848 times truly sticking to the books. Working as a game designer myself I can understand where you are coming from, but the majority players seek simpler practical explanations. Since this job has such variety of ultimate weapon choices it can get complicated for a player to decide which is better for what, although there is so much data already available. Happy New Year!

Thank you everyone for the insights. I've decided to r15 Annihilator, make a Gastraphetes, then make a Fomal, probably in that order.


I appreciate everyone's input.

Besides master trial whats anni any good for atm? Oh and forma lol...anyways should just go straight to gastra malev/kclub and naegling/kclub/tpbonus arrow/20%wsd arrow these will be you bread and butter 99% of the time. When going for physical ranged I prefer either armageddon or gandiva depending on situation and party setup over both anni and forma.

If by started it, you mean that I said "something is off here", then yeah I started it lol. I simply asked you about set you were using because numbers were impossible to be true (but the reason was not your set, but your confusing description of rounding TP to 1000, which you havent bother to mention in the first post). You was the one who started being passive/aggressive and continued to be such for all posts. I tried to keep it civil and on topic as much as I can.

If you make a test and you do WS at 1100TP instead of 1000, you should write it. 100TP for some WSes can be more than 10% increase in damage.

R15'ing annihilator for nostalgic reasons. Already have KC/Naegling. Basically starting from scratch on ToAU so it will be a little while before gastra.

I can probably skip Fomal, was only going to make it for the bullets

And thats enough reason to make it really. Especially now, when its way easier to get or much cheaper to merc.

R15 Annih is more then a just master trials, but it needs the Fomal bullets (Chrono Bullets) to truly shine. If you doing Omen boss on RNG, it will keep you and your party alive. Honestly, after using all RNG REMAs in Omen boss fights, Annih is my go to & also on HTB like Maiden of the Dusk. You survive, you don't pull hate, party stays alive, consistent dmg, chance of ridiculous Barrage that will make people flip off tables, beast RACC, back to back Darkness/Light SC... It's worth it!

Its like you're inside my brain, man. All the reasons I love my Anni. I can go all out with Anni when physical damage is needed, I can chain with a Foma COR even when their AM is down. Easy 3 steps. Self Dark or Self Light. Anni can also make better use of the +PDL on Malignance gear with its +ranged attack aftermath....now before the standard response of "you're at attack-cap already, that AM is worthless" it allows for more flexibility in buffs that overall will boost its damage-or when you're not being properly buffed. Lastly, its the perfect Decoy Shot weapon with ODD aftermath white damage and the super low hate of Coronach- again when physical damage is preferred.

Its extremely easy to play RNG without an Annihilator. But it does make some things very classically fun while still being very competitive. There's a lot out there beyond gastra/kclub.

Agreed on the HTBF. I've been soloing E lilith on RNG and just keeping aftermath up and using decoy is enough to keep me alive and hate free while spamming self light and last stand.

About 210 runs in, and 4/5 already with only 3 wasted runs due to poor positioning on my part.

Do people really shoot in Oneiros knife for AM3 and Jishnu sets? I would imagine, in harder content, accuracy would be an issue? Just finished my Gandiva so I am also very new to it.

Racc for sure wont be a problem, unless you want to somehow use that dagger as an arrow to your Gandiva.

I use r15 anni on afew things. Coro>Coro on omen bosses is nasty good. I pair it with r15perun/kc and it's silly.

R15 anni is pretty good for centurio whatever. tried empy gun and i get hate too fast, same with mythic on that specific mob lol.

My annihilator is not R15 yet, but I find myself dealing consistently lower damage even with AM up with Coronach compared to Last Stand (on Omen bosses, for example). Am I doing something wrong here?

Here are the sets I use (minus weapons, which are respective gun, Perun +1 R15/Kustawi +1 R15):

The actual "apples to apples" comparison of Coronach vs Last Stand isn't an accurate way to compare the two weapons (Annihilator vs Fomalhaut), and I feel its often why many Rangers under-value it.

1. Coronach doesn't scale with TP. This makes it a proper tool to spam at 1k TP. Fomalhaut needs that TP scaling to maximize, and is why its better to use above 1500TP with Fomalhaut and over 2k TP with anything else. As such, the WS frequency of Coronach use allows it to compete over time with Last Stand.

2. Coronach chains better and with greater versatility than Last Stand. Coro can self-light or self-darkness in 2 steps without any need of Aftermath. This means it becomes more competitive when you can take advantage of that aspect, and loses a lot of its punch when you can't.

3. Annihilator is a higher accuracy weapon, meaning more flexibility for damage during TP phase in your gear vs Fomalhaut.

4. Annihilator will absolutely destroy Fomalhaut in a direct comparison of white damage due to the "occasionally deals double damage" Aftermath. This is a very large part of how it competes in overall damage- but it takes all 3 things mentioned above to match or even at times beat it. Add in the additional +10% Ranged Attack aftermath, and you can change some gear options to include more crit rate or +PDL into that TP set as you remain at the attack cap with less +Attack in your gearsets, pushing TP phase even more.

5. The Enmity properties of Coronach combined with the -Enmity aftermath from Annihilator results in being able to go "all out" and be more aggressive than when using Fomalhaut. Again, this is seen over time in longer fights and benefits the Relic- not something you see when just comparing WS to WS.

Lastly, on Coronach itself- its the only Marksmanship WS with a dSTAT that is NOT 100% AGI. It is a split mod between DEX and AGI. While not a huge deal as most of our top Weaponskill pieces remain the same (AF+3 head, Relic+3 legs, for example), it does mean rings like Ilabrat and Regal Ring all of a sudden look even better.

tl;dr- its impossible to compare accurately Annihilator vs Fomalhaut by simply swapping the weapon and nothing else, and then comparing WS to WS. You have to alter sets to make Annihilator work to its full potential, use different tactics, and then compare over time full parses that don't ignore some of one weapon's strongest features (TP phase on Anni) while placing all the weight on the other weapon's strongest feature (Foma's Last Stand).

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Also noted you mentioned a weapon setup of Perun+1/Kustawi+1. I'd suggest swapping your offhand to Ternion+1. 5% WSD, crazy AGI. While of course its a better meleeing offhand at face value, Annihilator just doesn't need all the racc and -enmity on Kustawi+1 (the two greatest aspects of that dagger).

I keep seeing the enmity- property mentioned, but, honestly, the only time I've ever managed to pull hate from our tank on any fight that does not have a hate reset mechanic is when closing a 50k Trueflight into a 99k light on Kei and even then, it's probably the fact that I forget to use decoy shot most of the time and I have enmity+ merits on the same character.

For the TP phase, I'm currently shooting in 5/5 malig. What are the pieces I could swap in there to boost my white damage?

I'll try and give another shot with Ternion +1 and taking white damage into account - see if that changes anything.

You have to parse to really see the benefit of white damage. I parsed with Cele's Anni as fomal cor once and the benefit of white damage is totally obvious: Despite I had much higher ws avg and ws frequency, I was barely 0.5% ahead in total dmg. Honestly I was pretty shocked at the Anni RNG white dmg contribution.

I am of the camp that I almost never see a reason to take off the Arcadian Beret+3. The Recycle Augment is too strong to argue with. The only time I midshot (non-DoubleShot) in something different is Empyrean weapon aftermaths I use Meghanda Visor+2 for the boost to Dead Aim- just as a reminder for others reading this, Dead Aim is a Ranged Attack-Specific +Critical Hit Damage.

Also, the Wildfire AM set and Annihilator AM set for me are quite similar (outside of the head, as mentioned)- since TP overflow doesn't do a damn thing for Wildfire or Coronach, I don't see the benefits of full Malignance for these weapons. I use a midshot set that is

Arcadian Beret+3/Meghanada Visor+2
Malignance Tabard
Mummu Wrists/Mummu Ring (for the +crit rate with acceptable racc)
Malignance Tights
Malignance Boots/Oshosi Leggings+1 (still toying with these two)
Ambuscade Cape with +30AGI, +20racc/ratk, +10% crit rate

(for the Arma I use Nisroch Jerkin over Malignance Tabard, but I feel with Annihilator's +ratk aftermath the +PDL on the Tabard becomes functional and gives better gains than the +crit rate of the Jerkin)

Even cutting down to 2/5 malignance still allows me to have a 3-hit build (WS+2 shots) for Annihilator, and increases my white damage. I certainly see the advantages of going to 4/5 at times, and I do, in particular when TP overflow is beneficial (Last Stand, Trueflight primarily).

<3 aww fun times^^ I'm sure the only reason it was close were those amazing rolls :)

Sorry Cele just wanted to clarify some details in your post :P


It's "occasionally deals triple damage" and it's not aftermath, it's hidden effect that works all the time. It's also "only" 13% rate, but it's still much better than same effects on melee relic weapons, because it can proc on whole double shot or Barrage, while melee relic weapons can't proc on any mulit-attack hits and Spharai can't even proc on second hand at all.


dSTAT and WSC is two different terms. dSTAT is where you compare stats yours and target. There are several general dSTAT values in game like dDEX for melee, dAGI for ranged, dINT for elemental spells and much more. Also many magic WS has dSTAT for additional damage, like dAGI on Leaden Salute or Trueflight. What you meant here is no dSTAT, but WSC (weapon skill attributes) which are just based on your stats (target stat doesn't matter) and they are added to base damage (they are multiplied by fTP).

^^ never apologize for more accurate information :)

I was quite aware of its benefits over melee Relic weapons, but for some reason I had its property incorrect, so thank you- now I can tout its benefits even more!

This is a horrid bad habit of mine when it comes to proper/accepted terms in ffxi math. I'm sure those more familiar with the nomenclature appreciate the clarity.

I highly doubt it because Adhemar has critdmg+ on it.
So that's a flat multiplier instead of crithit+, though almost half if you're making a set with another adhemar piece. e.g +4% v +10%.

I'm assuming pathB for Jishnu? So STR and DEX would be 41s v STR+31 DEX+33... that *might* make up for the 36 less Ratk and 6% critdmg...
But I really doubt it.
However, it might wind up being relatively close... But I think if someone tests it in game, they'll find Adhemar pulling ahead by a fair to large amount.

for Abrasion Bolt (defense down) accuracy, best set would be the RNG Midshot Top Tier posted in the first page? should you focus on racc or macc?

I feel like malignance 5/5 would bis for racc and macc together?

What does everyone's DT and ACC melee sets look like on RNG? Since we cannot use Reiki Yotai I am guessing adhemar body +1 and suppanomimi. Just playing around with it I think I would need to do Gel. Ring +1 and Defending to cap PDT with 4/5 malignance and cape. Any other combination of accessories that I am overlooking?

What are the preferred accuracy swaps while maintaining cap PDT?

edit: also for the TP set on front page would Telos beat Sherida?

10dw cape and be short 1. Or you can DW cape 6-7 (don't cap it) and use Suppa(6dw cape), Eabani(7dw cape).

For me, adhemar+1 body is too damn good with both triple attack and dual wield. This also is as a non-kraken club RNG (I strongly believe that changes melee sets greatly, as a kclub RNG can essentially build TP sets without any multiattack, whereas a non-kclub RNG needs to think about that when safety allows- not to mention the variance in accuracy needs).

I use a hybrid set as well as a full turtle set. My hybrid set sits at ~30 -DT, whereas the full turtle set comes in quite close to cap for PDT.

Hybrid:

Malignance Chapeau (-6)
Iskur Gorget
Odnowa Earring+1/R15 (-3)
Suppanomimi
Adhemar Jacket+1
Adhemar Wristbands+1
Defending Ring(-10)
Chirich Ring+1
JSE Cape (-5)
Sailfi Belt+1/R15
Malignance Tights(-7)
Tatenashi Sune-Ate +1/R15

This set sits at -31 DT, 11 Dual Wield, and 17% TA (offhanding Ternion+1/R15 to reach that, the gear itself is 13%), and 57STP. Base acc well over 1230. I find it a nice compromise.

My full turtle set is similar, with a few extra sacrifices for safety:

Malignance Chapeau(-6)
Loricate Torque +1(-6)
Suppanomimi
Odnowa Earring+1 (-3)
Adhemar Jacket+1
Malignance Gloves (-5)
Defending Ring (-10)
Chirich Ring +1
JSE Cape (-5)
Flume Belt+1(-4 PDT)
Malignance Tights (-7)
Malignance Boots (-4)

This set sacrifices a large amount of Triple Attack to gain DT/PDT, and sits at -46 DT/-4PDT. Accuracy still sits above 1200, and a very respectable 66STP. You do lose 9TA and 5DA between feet/waist/hands. I have been toying with switching back to offhanding Blurred+1 for this setup, but haven't done enough testing on legitimate targets to find if the OAT and TP gain speed gains is enough to offset the 5% WSD/4TA of Ternion+1 with WS frequency vs power.

I don't claim to say these sets are "ideal", but for me with a sword melee setup of Naegling/Ternion+1 or a dagger melee setup of Tauret/Ternion+1, I do find them quite workable.


Just don't ask my LS if I actually swap to these sets enough- the undigested Marine Stewpots from Dyna-D runs as my body sits on the floor show that while I have the sets, I don't suck it up and give up DPS enough :D

In an accuracy set, you can also consider doing Carmine Cuisses +1 path D, 6% DW, and base 60 acc, my acc set has that and carmine mask +1 path B, set bonus is acc too. So it gives the most overall acc. This is really only if I'm prioritizing acc over everything else though.

Sherida should beat every other earring handily. The only consideration would be acc, and will 6 acc on Telos override all the other bonuses on Sherida? Probably not.