You'll Shoot Your Eye Out! - New FFXI RNG Guide

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By Felgarr 2021-04-28 21:12:02  
I just hope that Hover-shot isn't a 10% DPS nerf for standing still, and a +10% boost while moving between each shot. Knowing SE, this is probably the case.
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By Fenrir.Kaldaek 2021-04-29 00:40:26  
The goal is no penalty for standing still. +10 DPS for moving. Its literally a penalty for multiboxers.

SE spends more time/brainpower on "how to beat multiboxers" than they do on "quality of content"
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By Felgarr 2021-04-29 00:53:27  
Fenrir.Kaldaek said: »
The goal is no penalty for standing still. +10 DPS for moving. Its literally a penalty for multiboxers.

SE spends more time/brainpower on "how to beat multiboxers" than they do on "quality of content"

I understand you, but SE rarely gives something without taking away something else, especially when the change isn't super necessary. Ranger doesn't need any changes, but if chooses this change to combat multi boxers, they incentivize us with more DPS while moving. They could decentivize multiboxers with a drop in DPS, but lol, that's questionable.
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By Bismarck.Nyaarun 2021-04-29 01:12:00  
Coming to a launcher near you, a new addon that wiggles your character back and forth between ranged attacks.

If anything, this would end up being a multibox buff because theyll just happily automate it out, where manual players could potentially just find it excessively annoying.
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By Felgarr 2021-04-29 02:30:16  
Bismarck.Nyaarun said: »
Coming to a launcher near you, a new addon that wiggles your character back and forth between ranged attacks.

If anything, this would end up being a multibox buff because theyll just happily automate it out, where manual players could potentially just find it excessively annoying.

Just like Beastmaster Ready distance nerf. ;)
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By SimonSes 2021-04-29 03:45:20  
Cerberus.Darkvlade said: »
Did someone say “Legolas”?

For me it reminds Rambo style. Especially the end of First Blood, but also many more moments like this in next chapters.
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By Asura.Nalfey 2021-04-29 05:58:21  
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By SimonSes 2021-04-29 06:28:00  
Asura.Nalfey said: »
Thats shooting while moving and standing still when not shooting. Thats opposite to what we getting :D
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By SimonSes 2021-04-29 06:43:41  
Barrages and running
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Running for super hover shot boost
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Perfect Hover shot presentation. First shot, running, couple shot and that subtle quick step forward before last shot (probably for both Hover Shot boost and moving into True Shot distance). Perfection ;)
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By Leviathan.Andret 2021-04-29 10:29:56  
Hover Shot power.

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By joemamma 2021-04-29 11:28:40  
How about every time your aim is interrupted WS DMG goes up 10%.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2021-04-29 11:43:21  
It would be interesting if they gave RNG an identical damage bonus that DRG gets from their WSD traits. And then make Double/Triple Shot procs count towards the bonus stacks, so you may not need to move around forever to get the capped bonus.
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By Asura.Topace 2021-04-29 17:37:02  
Literally if they aren’t going to buff Bow WS RNG doesn’t need To be touched. If anything they need to stop favoring cor and give rng a double light endgame event.

I never get on rng and think omg this is a weak job(beside dyna and it’s oppressive double dark weather). I don’t have high hopes for hover shot either especially if it makes you move around between shots. I’d rather a daken ability instead of anything.
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By Fenrir.Ramzus 2021-04-29 18:31:43  
they should just make ranged attacks auto shoot
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By Asura.Nalfey 2021-04-30 08:48:46  
I've been toying around with some empy critical sets to max out raw damage, and I was wondering if this wouldn't be a better AM3 critical set:

ItemSet 379589
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By Siren.Kyte 2021-04-30 08:54:47  
75-era weapons with +crit rate only apply to that particular weapon. You want to use something more recent, such as Oneiros knife or Gleti's. I can't think of anything that would be better than Oneiros knife for Gandiva unless you need additional accuracy.
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By Asura.Nalfey 2021-04-30 08:58:35  
oh really !? wow ok I didn't know that, is there any testing that has been done for this ? not that I don't believe you, it's just the first time I hear this.
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By Siren.Kyte 2021-04-30 08:59:45  
Testing is how it became known, yes
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By Asura.Nalfey 2021-04-30 09:00:40  
cool , good to know, thanks for that
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By Asura.Nalfey 2021-04-30 09:21:05  
ok I can confirm I've just tested this now shooting 50 arrows with and without the Jupiter's Staff, and I got 31/50 crits with and 32/50 crits without.
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By SimonSes 2021-04-30 11:30:26  
Asura.Nalfey said: »
ok I can confirm I've just tested this now shooting 50 arrows with and without the Jupiter's Staff, and I got 31/50 crits with and 32/50 crits without.

This wasn't really needed a test, but even assuming you wanted to confirm it, 50 shots is not enough to test that.
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By Fenrir.Melphina 2021-04-30 11:30:50  
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You want to use something more recent, such as Oneiros knife or Gleti's.

I'm not aware of any testing on gleti's knife to determine if the crit rate affected ranged attacks. If it does then gleti's is probably better than oneiros, since you get 15 dex and 15 agi on top of the 5% crit rate. But that's all contingent on the crit actually working with ranged.
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By SimonSes 2021-04-30 11:33:30  
Fenrir.Melphina said: »
But that's all contingent on the crit actually working with ranged.

Fattering blade works with ranged, so..

EDIT: Still I don't see Gleti's beating Oneiros.
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By SimonSes 2021-04-30 11:36:02  
New bis feet for RNG after the update

https://www.ffxiah.com/item/27410/hippo-socks-1

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By Asura.Nalfey 2021-04-30 12:20:32  
SimonSes said: »
This wasn't really needed a test, but even assuming you wanted to confirm it, 50 shots is not enough to test that.

Well a supposedly increase of 15% crit chance with the staff would have given me about 7-8 crit hits difference on 50 shots. So seeing that I only had 1 crit difference I was pretty positive the staff wasn't affecting my range attacks
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By SimonSes 2021-04-30 12:41:36  
Asura.Nalfey said: »
SimonSes said: »
This wasn't really needed a test, but even assuming you wanted to confirm it, 50 shots is not enough to test that.

Well a supposedly increase of 15% crit chance with the staff would have given me about 7-8 crit hits difference on 50 shots. So seeing that I only had 1 crit difference I was pretty positive the staff wasn't affecting my range attacks

Which means 4 crits difference would make it impossible to tell and 4 crits difference can easily randomly happen on 50 hits even if crit rate is the same (not 100% or 0%)
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By Pandemonium.Zeto 2021-04-30 14:02:07  
Very quick eyeball math has him within what 2 standard deviations on his 'test'? 3 is the common cutoff for outliers right? It's been a while since I've had to actually use that one stat course but within 3 is still 'uncommon but could happen nothing weird here' territory.
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By Asura.Nalfey 2021-04-30 18:54:29  
SimonSes said: »
Which means 4 crits difference would make it impossible to tell and 4 crits difference can easily randomly happen on 50 hits even if crit rate is the same (not 100% or 0%)

Simon some times you just have to stop trying to be right all the time. it's not because you like spreadsheets and you have a calculator as avatar that you're good at math. Just chill for once.
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By Asura.Geriond 2021-04-30 18:59:38  
Asura.Nalfey said: »
SimonSes said: »
Which means 4 crits difference would make it impossible to tell and 4 crits difference can easily randomly happen on 50 hits even if crit rate is the same (not 100% or 0%)

Simon some times you just have to stop trying to be right all the time. it's not because you like spreadsheets and you have a calculator as avatar that you're good at math. Just chill for once.
Him being right in this case isn't something to call him out for.
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