Corona Virus, How Has It Affected Your Area So Far?

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By Odinz 2020-03-25 05:11:51  
Asura.Eiryl said: »
The panic is because equipment is limited. and EVERYONE is going to get the virus. We can't have 300 million people in hospitals built for 1 million.

It's the scale of the virus. Not the virus itself. If 300 million people could be hospitalized from the flu there would be panic for that too.

"we" aren't panicking about 100 people dead, or 100,000 that will certainly die. "we're" panicking because many of those deaths are preventable with ventilators that we do not have enough of.
that's the partial, simplified truth.
The entire truth takes into account already existing, non-covid 19 healthcare issues like cancer, heart disease, COPD, kidney dialysis, general surgery..what happens to all that when the hospitals are filled with only covid-19 cases?
you start prioritizing, which happened in Italy.
That literally means you start telling people to go die somewhere else.
Let that sink in.
The direct death rate from Covid-19 might be 5%, but the indirect death rate in healthcare related areas will be much greater.
try to factor in all the services that will no longer be available, such as plumbing or cleaning or garbage collection or basic stuff like monitoring traffic.
Factor in panic, hysteria, opportunists such as criminals, stress on the police force (who will probably also have people suffering from covid-19).

Anarchy. it's very simple. If Trump gets his way, USA is "Escape from NY" x "Rise of the planets of the apes" x Independence Day + deep impact

total pandemonium
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-03-25 05:12:48  
It doesn't have to be common to matter. When you read 1% of twentysomethings will die, you don't see it for what it is. It's just a number.

What if that 1% includes your daughter, your cousin, your nephew, you.

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Asura.Eiryl said: »
The panic is because equipment is limited. and EVERYONE is going to get the virus. We can't have 300 million people in hospitals built for 1 million. (flatten the curve)

It's the scale of the virus. Not the virus itself. If 300 million people could be hospitalized from the flu there would be panic for that too.

"we" aren't panicking about 100 people dead, or 100,000 that will certainly die. "we're" panicking because many of those deaths are preventable with ventilators that we do not have enough of.

By this logic Africa will be wiped out cause they have almost no ventilators and are taking almost no action at all, oh wait.

It's something to take seriously because of the cold weather and that we have a lot of older and infirm people. So take care of those people and let everyone else carry on with their lives so we don't destroy the economy. Again this is a variant of the flu that already killed mass numbers of people in excess of this new variation and nobody gave a crap about that and the mass more people it killed until the MSM drove people crazy.

The logic that the most powerful, richest and most healthy nation on earth is going to be wiped out when we are all already taking major steps to fight it when all these 3rd world nations are doing just fine is laughable.

More ***. Africa doesn't have 50 million people stacked literally on top of each other like new york does. They're going to have significantly lower infection per population density. If one person if your village gets it and dies, that's the same % as 500,000 in new york dying.
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By Voren 2020-03-25 05:15:15  
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Anarchy. it's very simple. If Trump gets his way, USA is "Escape from NY" x "Rise of the planets of the apes" x Independence Day + deep impact

total pandemonium

I was thinking more like The Purge, the first one, not the crappy sequels (my opinion).
 
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By Odinz 2020-03-25 05:16:41  
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Oh and "Corona virus" are flu and cold variants, this new virus is a mutated form of the virus that gives you the cold and flu already.
I feel like I'm talking to the dumbest person that has ever lived.

Do you understand how the human body fights viruses?
Do you know what an antibody is?
do you know what a vaccine is?
do you know why you get the flu and cold more than one time in your lifetime?
hey genius, the reason why covid-19 is so bad is purely because it is a mutation (evolved virus) that we have no immunity against, because we've never encountered it, we have no antibodies to fight it off.

You should listen more and speak less. sincere advice for you, not just here but in life and in general. You're very very green.
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By Odinz 2020-03-25 05:17:59  
Voren said: »
Odinz said: »
Anarchy. it's very simple. If Trump gets his way, USA is "Escape from NY" x "Rise of the planets of the apes" x Independence Day + deep impact

total pandemonium

I was thinking more like The Purge, the first one, not the crappy sequels (my opinion).
Not bad. Maybe. best case scenario.
 
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-03-25 05:19:00  
kireek said: »
This shows cases per country, US is doing just fine.

https://virusncov.com/

It's really, really not. You can't show accurate data because there are no *** tests being done. When they finally actually start testing those numbers are going to explode.
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By Voren 2020-03-25 05:21:09  
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By Odinz 2020-03-25 05:21:13  
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This shows cases per country, US is doing just fine.

https://virusncov.com/
I need a facepalm gif of Picard or Kirk..
The US % rate is not good..at all, the testing rates are not good, at all. They are ramping up tests, meaning more people will be identified and that infection rate is going to sky rocket. US was at less than 500 cases 10 days ago... holy ***you're thick.
Someone draw this out for him with crayons or something. I give up.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-03-25 05:23:14  
An alert sent out earlier in the day by New York City’s Department of Health and Mental Hygiene was even more dire. Mildly or moderately ill people seeking COVID-19 tests, the D.O.H.M.H. warned, posed a serious infection risk for hospitals and clinics, and were creating a run on the city’s extremely limited P.P.E. stocks and testing supplies. For that reason, the department was “directing healthcare facilities to IMMEDIATELY STOP TESTING NON-HOSPITALIZED PATIENTS FOR COVID-19 unless test results will impact the clinical management of the patient.” Even health-care workers and first responders who had been exposed to infected patients but did not have symptoms would no longer be tested. As the alert went on to warn, again in bold capital letters: “COVID-19 testing is only indicated for HOSPITALIZED PATIENTS.”
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/why-widespread-coronavirus-testing-isnt-coming-anytime-soon
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By Odinz 2020-03-25 05:23:16  
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nevermind the crayons comment. If this guy's drawings don't do it, I dont know what will.
 
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By Odinz 2020-03-25 05:27:34  
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An alert sent out earlier in the day by New York City’s Department of Health and Mental Hygiene was even more dire. Mildly or moderately ill people seeking COVID-19 tests, the D.O.H.M.H. warned, posed a serious infection risk for hospitals and clinics, and were creating a run on the city’s extremely limited P.P.E. stocks and testing supplies. For that reason, the department was “directing healthcare facilities to IMMEDIATELY STOP TESTING NON-HOSPITALIZED PATIENTS FOR COVID-19 unless test results will impact the clinical management of the patient.” Even health-care workers and first responders who had been exposed to infected patients but did not have symptoms would no longer be tested. As the alert went on to warn, again in bold capital letters: “COVID-19 testing is only indicated for HOSPITALIZED PATIENTS.”
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/why-widespread-coronavirus-testing-isnt-coming-anytime-soon

Supplies, the other thing to factor in; the supply chain.
Didn't mention it recently, but did during the past week: what do you do when the people who are suppossed to take care of you, need someone to take care of them because they're infected with covid-19?

This is how the death rate rises.
You have covid-19, are treatable, but no one to treat you. You were part of that % that were 99% likely to survive, based on assumptions that adequate healthcare was available to you. Take away the available treatment and healthcare, and you're now likely to die of pneumonia.
If you don't, and manage to survive, you're never going to have the same life you did.

Stay at home and don't listen to Trump.
A chimpanzee with control of the US's nuclear arsenal is less dangerous now and I'm not exaggerating.
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By Voren 2020-03-25 05:27:35  
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MORE PEOPLE DIE FROM THE FLU than this and nobody cares because the media isn't blowing it up in the same way.

More people die from pneumonia than from the flu, but the CDC lumps in both into the same figure.

The deaths so far from COVID19 are from COVID19. It spreads at a higher rate (2-3 vs 1.3 of the flu) and most that are infected don't know until between 4~24 days, and can infect others during that time.

It's not the same as the flu.
 
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By Odinz 2020-03-25 05:28:28  
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Increase medical capacity, work on vaccines, work on medications and get the economy back on track for Easter.
You've solved it.
Run for president.
I bet you win.
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By Odinz 2020-03-25 05:29:43  
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747 people died in 2 months from the virus in the USA (329,227,746 population) , more people died from umbrella related injuries.
Statistics can be lethal to idiots.
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By Bahamut.Celebrindal 2020-03-25 06:37:19  
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Again to be clear, I'm not saying to not take it seriously but I'm saying we have virus infections that kill far more people and we don't do a damn thing about them.

Build up medical infrastructure (doing it), put out information (doing it), look after people (doing it), wash your hands (doing it), isolate older and infirm people (doing it) use common sense to not infect people but get the economy going again.

This is not the end of the world virus, not even close.

Take it seriously but lets not let our nations economies burn down out of fear.

people who compare any influenza pandemic to a coronavirus based disease have zero knowledge of the differences between the structure, survivability, transmission style/range, or lifespan of the two....which considering the information overload in the past 3 weeks almost takes a desire to remain uninformed.

tl;dr (too long, didn't RESEARCH)-

-influenza viruses aren't nearly as transmittable in terms of physical distance.

-corona viruses are symptom free but still transmittable for almost double the length of time, meaning spread is faster and harder to control.

-we have spent over 100 years focusing our pandemic and vaccine study on influenza based viruses due to the 1918 epidemic. We know how to control and attack such things. Its really only in the past 20 years, maybe less, that we've taken "common cold" viruses more seriously.

So please, stop comparing influenza to this. That's like saying that you raise cows and chickens the same because they both live on farms.
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By Bahamut.Celebrindal 2020-03-25 06:51:23  
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The common cold and the flu are both corona viruses, this is in the same family and has many of the same symptoms.

Pneumonia that follows infection of this virus and the flu are caused by secondary bacterial infections.

1. Viruses are not categorized by symptoms. That's what we did in the *** middle ages. Viruses are classified by molecular shape.

2. Influenza viruses are NOT corona viruses. Pick any godddam health center you want. New Haven, WHO, CDC, Johns Hopkins, *** Mayo Clinic.

3. Stop

Your lack of understanding of medical history is astounding. One need not be working in the health profession to know that ANY pandemic isn't seen as dangerous until the numbers are already beyond stopping or even slowing the problem. The advantage we have with modern testing and understanding of illness to the human body is we understand such precautions need to be taken BEFORE we laymen see it as a problem, because once we do, its too late. I'm sorry you need a body count to take something seriously, vs addressing an issue when its still addressable.
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