Amemet +1

No. =I

I DD in this. :O

Careful, gives Beast Affinity. D:

At least make it HQ D;

You has a better chance getting +1 Dusk D:

just let it die ppl, they set up us the bomb here.

Yes :|

i would recommend cerberus mantle instead of amemet mantle,it has almost the same effects with fire resist and enmity

Going a bit to the side but, what do you expect to wear Full DD set for HNMing?
When you are getting hit and evading like 0 hits -.- 3 shadows go fast. You have to recast almost constantly.
My idle gear has a considerable amount of enmity cuz there are times when I can't gear swap cuz I need cures.

Ppl think you can have like 7 gear swaps
More than 3 becomes highly ineffective. You need to get cured, hasted, refreshed, phalanxed... etc. Shield Mastery helps a lot for TPing, cuz you will get hit, if the mob is hard enough. And sacrificing HP gear for hitting more idk if it's hate effective, cuz how many of those hits will be for 0?. And the loss of HP is noticeable on lost enmity per hit taken

All this discussion is very but very very circumstantial

Galka <3 Come on MSN!

Yeah I got on rather late on the capes forum!

Stupid univesity

If you need that many cures, you're probably doing it wrong or for some reason the mob isn't elegied/slow'd <_< It is very easy and practical to full DD HNM...



Blinkmenot or <stpc>. Next.



We're not sacrificing max HP gear since we macro in defensive gear when being hit (a very predictable scenario... when shadows = 0 or when shadows = 1 with a DA mob sometimes). Max HP determines CE lost upon taking a hit, not currenttak. You shouldn't be taking enough damage for the current HP difference between the sets to matter.



Not at all <_< if you're having trouble switching between gear so much, the problem lies in your reflexes/judgment... not the concept as a whole. If your mages suck too much to give you buffs while blinking a lot, that is THEIR problem. If you're dying you'll tend to stay stationary in a defensive/reduction set anyway so ...

There are literally no significant disadvantages to blinking a lot and maximisation.

not everyone plays on PC and not everyone uses windower even if you use <stpc> if a PLD blinks before you can evenn start casting a cure or what ever (if your a mage) then your target is gonna be lost so you have to retarget the tank.

i find that i live longer in a fight by doing non visable gear swaps and have full time set gear that will not cause me to blink, only time i do blink is when i use Sentinel or rampart, any other gear swaps i do is on slots that will not cause me to blink. i am just conciderate to others who do not have tools like blinkmenot.

saying that everyone is different and gears differently dependant to what they have, personally i dont have boxers yet and i wont get an ACC back piece. most of you think Atonement is the answer to everything, i dont have atonement and i can tank efficiently against HNMs like Khimaira, Cerb, Dark Ixion etc. another thing tanking something like Khimaira, you wont be WSing alot since it reduces ya TP to 0 alot.

last thing, eveyone has thier own tanking style, some DD some dont, its thier choice, if they can do thier job then who the **** cares.

I read about half a sentence of this entire thread, but <stpt> and <stal> solve blinking issues. The target is in your party/alliance menu rather than over the actual players, so blinking doesn't effect it.

I only learnt of this recently myself.

As Blazza says, it's a good idea to get everyone in your LS to switch over to <stpt> and <stal>. Only need <stpc> for things like curing from outside of alliance. Not everyone swap visible gear (though they probably should at some point), but it'd be nice if blinking frequently is an option for all instead of being held back because some people have trouble targeting.

I know all the RDMs and WHMs in my LS use them (and, no, we're not even an 'endgame' LS), and I personally use them for PLD, RDM, SCH, and BRD. <stal> and <stpt> are probably two of the best addition to FFXI's game mechanism in the last few years!

Can replace this logic for DDs/mages too and then you'll see the flaw in it;

"most people think Byakko's Haidate are the ultimate leg piece for melees that can equip them. I don't have them and I can DD efficiently against ~"

Nobody's saying that no Atonement = crappy Paladin, but utilising it does make you better. To deny this is pointless. It's like saying that x + y = x. Err, no. y isn't 0.

Khimaira is one of the biggest examples of where Atonement is fairly futile :p

Hydra too! :D

But yeah, what raen said is spot on

ame +1 is a solid piece for pld while tanking in aht urgan areas. HBM isn't going to do you much good, when PLD gets access to Atonement, TP in traditional DD gear (haste/acc) and ws in enmity gear.

Cerberus Mantle (+1)

NQ isnt very expensive these days.

PLD isnt/never will/nor should be DDing PLD doesnt need to do dmg to get hate. pld turtle FTW

<stpt> <stal> next

i idle in my foragers mantle for tp
enmity actions in resentment
ichi/ni in boxer's
cure kit gigant

Already covered this... <stpt> and <stal>. The target selection for those commands uses the names in your sidebar, rather than direct targeting.

Seriously, it's lazier to use the macros than not... there is zero excuse for the use of manual selection over command targeting. If you're typing out the command including the name you won't lose targeting either, so that's irrelevant. Inputs that go around blinking are more efficient and effective than manual selection. Period. End of discussion.

Begone, foul troll!

Nah, I chuckled a bit. Nonetheless, there are very few fights where a non-engaged Paladin will outperform other tank jobs.

One day, in FFXIX Online, there will be sensors on top of our monitors that track eye movements, and we'll be able to just look at a character on our screen to select it.

Forsrs.

edit: Also, graphics will be so amazing by then, we'll be able to watch our characters quickly take off/put on equipment so they don't do this "blinking" ***.

nin/drk is a better tank anyways. Especially w/o atonement

i never said not to engage but a pld shouldnt be wasting armor slots on loldd gear

Some of us have to tank for good DDs :(

Semi off topic, but all the people talking about how good <stpt> and <stal> are, how long have you been playing mage jobs? Using F keys for me is pure reflex by now and I refuse to use those two crappy macros until the fix them to work with f keys. (And I'm generally fine with tanks blinking even using <stpc> and no blinkmenot)

Actually just hitting Fwhatever key and hitting a maccro with just T in it is much more efficient and faster aside from the blinking thing.

Damn guy above me beat to it /sigh. Either way I'm usually using F keys to target something else even while I'm still casting the previous spell and even while that maccro still has stuff left to do. And at the same time scrolling thru my maccros to whatever I'm gunna cast next sometimes on the next set up or down.

The pics on your profile seem to say otherwise sir

I just skimmed over because of all the obvious confusion, but this sums it up pretty well.