Time to band together and complain about Apollyon being too long now.
3-4 more nerf cycles and this content will be tolerable!
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Temenos too long? But I thought 30min runs were normal and anything more is a skill issue.
What gives.
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Asura.Dexprozius said: » Did they adjust the units you get for this reduction to be similar to what the total yield was prior? If you do 10 less floors, but still get the same amount of units, that's actually a huge hit Why would they give you more rewards for less work? Dodik said: » I am sure all the l33t players will have no problem doing 10min Temenos climbs with all that l33t skill in running really fast. Dodik said: » Temenos too long? But I thought 30min runs were normal and anything more is a skill issue. What gives. bro is so salty he's going to start to brine
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I'm trolling, clearly.
I think they did a good job tightening it up overall. In Central not only did they remove a floor but, for instance, 1 also no longer branches between the Bomb path and Quadav path so to speak and on 3 they swapped the positions of the Gigas and Ghrah so it's less bothersome to run through. In NEW 5 kills per floor on fewer floors is a better fit given that spawns come in 5 so you can just aggro everything instead of trying to dodge one. Also I think only E3 with Ghrah+Pixies gives you no particularly good targets, you basically don't have to fight or dodge Ghrahs at all now.
Could just be luck but I also think I only got hit with 1 Sleep and 0 Sleepgas. 0/3 on ITG kills though. Garfield said: » Asura.Dexprozius said: » Did they adjust the units you get for this reduction to be similar to what the total yield was prior? If you do 10 less floors, but still get the same amount of units, that's actually a huge hit Why would they give you more rewards for less work? Less work? You're killing more per floor.... that's more work per Data (which rewards a set amount of units). There's just less overall data now. My question was if the units were scaled up per floor to adjust for the amount of kills. Overall after a full run, you got a certain # of units for apollyon and for temenos. Now if nothing was changed, you'll get much less units in temenos overall, which lopsides your progression, and forces players to grind units in temenos
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Dex, you're making way too much sense. There's zero chance one of the interns that implemented this change took the two minutes necessary to do the math and determine an equal unit compensation for the adjustment. Just slash floors and you finish faster (with less overall units, so you technically don't).
The unit adjustment is coming in four updates from now. Please look forward to it. They also deleted the best camps to catch up on units. Not that everyone needs such camps but now we will be on top of each other after opening 5 chest.
Overall its a solid change.
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Either everyone is with multiple r25 stuff thst needs upgrading, or I'm the only one with capped units with nothing to spend them on.
Or c: I spent units upgrading JSE first, and no matter how many runs I do, I'll never reach the units cap.
I have enough matters to r30 each accessory but don't have a third of the requisite units to even bother For what it's worth, the unit balance between Apollyon and Temenos goes away once you start augmenting armor. And it was already unbalanced, given that Apollyon ???'s are discovered at a far higher rate.
Still, it'd be nice to see the imbalance acknowledged and addressed. Taint said: » Time to band together and complain about Apollyon being too long now. 3-4 more nerf cycles and this content will be tolerable! It's big open area's with my favorite backdrop so I don't mind being there. I absolutely loved Promy areas. YouTube Video Placeholder And while I didn't mind running around the Palace in sea, those Limbus towers were simply too long to have to run that many at once. The constant warp / running / warp around a bland sterile white area is just soul crushing. With OG Limbus each tower gave a pop item and you would use them all to get to the Ultima fight. Plus some towers would use different mechanics, so not the same bland experience non-stop.
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Dodik said: » Either everyone is with multiple r25 stuff thst needs upgrading, or I'm the only one with capped units with nothing to spend them on. Cut the level down to 119. Make it go faster and don't waste time getting 0 units if you're capped.
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No, you're forced to make a useless JSE you don't need so you DONT lose points.
Don't know what to tell you. Spend your points instead of hoarding. This is exclusively a You problem. Also.... your implying you reach unit cap every week, which is insane
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It's not really a problem, it is what it is.
If you're capped at the start of the week and have nothing to spend it on, you will be capped at the end of the week too - don't know what to tell you. Dodik said: » It's not really a problem, it is what it is. If you're capped at the start of the week and have nothing to spend it on, you will be capped at the end of the week too - don't know what to tell you. Nobody's doubting that. What's holding you up from spending? Do you not have matters? No armor?
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Matters at 4/30, guess could upgrade those. Armor all upgraded.
Lakshmi.Buukki said: » No, you're forced to make a useless JSE you don't need so you DONT lose points. Lakshmi.Buukki said: » Or c: I spent units upgrading JSE first, and no matter how many runs I do, I'll never reach the units cap. I have enough matters to r30 each accessory but don't have a third of the requisite units to even bother I am....VERY confused about your limbus strategy. You have matters you can't spend because you don't have enough units, but also are capped on units so you have to make useless JSE? Are you two different people in a trenchcoat?
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Dodik said: » Matters at 4/30, guess could upgrade those. Armor all upgraded. Sorry, I meant limbus armor, not af/relic. What do you mean matters 4/30? What are you lacking to augment the armor--matters, shards, armor itself? idk how i feel about the changes to the amount of mobs around/needed for data, i'm on phoenix right now and i feel like i'm fighting with people for enough mobs to clear each floor. feels incredibly bad and messes with the whole flow of running to the end and fighting.
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AegParm said: » Sorry, I meant limbus armor, not af/relic. What do you mean matters 4/30? What are you lacking to augment the armor--matters, shards, armor itself? I have two limbus armors at R1. I have 4/30 matters I would need to upgrade one of those fully to R30. Upgrading to R5 isn't useful to me, the gear is not better than what I have at R5, and also the unit cost at R5 won't make a significant dent on my capped units. Needless to say I have been unlucky with matter drops, despite the fancy black chest that taunts me. If any of those armors were at R15+, I would use all my matters on it. It would make it more or less equivalent to what I have now at R19-R20. Either way, not enough matters for upgrades. Relevant AF/Relic already upgraded to the point I upgraded Whm Relic body to +4 the other day for funsies. This isn't a complaint, I'm not moaning. Idc about capped units. I care that the matter drop rate sucks and you can go 1/10 on matters one week while capped on units and end up feeling you've wasted your time grinding for nothing. Dodik said: » I care that the matter drop rate sucks and you can go 1/10 on matters one week while capped on units and end up feeling you've wasted your time grinding for nothing. While EVERYONE agrees we need more matter... the final chest should atleast be 50% on a 3k .. or more... But: Are you rotating? 1/10 is impossible if you're rotating, unless your being hyperbolic i went 1/10 temenos and 1/10 apollyon ~two weeks, many times, rotating, no one believe me too -.-
going on 20 alabasters difference between main and mule..
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I truly believe your not rotating properly... Like you made a mistake and opened the same one twice. That's just not how it works
You're literally claiming 2/20 when every 4th is guaranteed with (Bad) luck. That should be 5~6 matter depending where your 5k started, not 2. Again, like I said before... Everyone hates the matter drop rate. It's trash, it's insulting to player time, its frustrating, and drains the fun out of the content... But theres no need to exaggerate it to something worse just to prove a point. I highly recommend you record every chest you open and keep clean records to avoid mistakes. Sigh..
I rotate every single chest. My main has about half the matters of my alts. It sucks. I went 2/9(?) last week on main. I went 1/10 once, but also rarely do 10 climbs for $reasons. Typically it's 2 on average on my main. My alts average ~3 a week. Your maths also isn't mathing. 50% chance on the "good" chest when you're rotating 4 chests means you have a 50% chance for a matter once if you do 4 climbs a week. The rest are not 50%. So how are you averaging 50% on matters on a <50% chance for matter from all chests in a week. Unless the chest is blue, going 1/10 is impossible if rotating properly.
That is 100% user error. Right, okay, I'm just lying. Thanks.
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