Am I Planning It Right?

1. there is no at least. These sheild don't have variable stats.

2. Terror Shield has 1 more emnity then Koenig Shield and the same amount as Kaiser Shield

Now that that is over... So let me get this straight. When comparing terror to wivre the 1 emnity difference hardly matters but the 7 def does. But when comparing terror to Koenig the 1 emnity difference does matter and the 2 def difference does? So whats your cutoff in emnity vs def on a shield? 3 to 1? 4 to 1?

Guess once I get atonement I'll have to use my TP build from when I go out as /dnc and check this ***out. Cause if what your saying is true about this Bahamut.Raenryong (sorry quote not working) maybe I'll appreciate it more.

Ugh! Even if I could get to floor 10 I'd be happy. On a good day I can knock out about 300 WS pts in a little over and hour doing light.

Whether or not 1% haste will reduce your recast a second is to do with you buffs and other haste gear, you can't simply state 1% isn't enough.

Following that argument you wouldn't gear for haste at all (silly extreme example, but you see my point).

im saying if a piece doesn't break tier its useless. Look at Blitz ring. Why do people get it? to break tier. thats all

HP is always variable. Adding more max HP means you lose less enmity when you get hit or lose a shadow. But adding 20 HP when your max HP is 1000 is a 2% increase whereas adding 20 HP to 2000 is a 1% increase. As long as your HP is less than 2000, Terror Shield adds at least 1 equivalent enmity through HP. Most PLDs I see hover in the 1500-1700 range so roughly 5.5 equivalent enmity on Terror Shield.

i also like 30 hp/mp ... just saying ya know

@ Kujata.Argettio
You know you're right, I have all the gear to this, it's honestly a matter of macros. I need to play around with spellcast or something like that. Cause right now I still use the 20 macros per page, 6 lines per macro deal and there's only so much I can fit into one macro set. It would be a lot easier if I grasped spellcast so my gear would change automatically for whatever situation.

Except the fact Askar head looks better than some old turban.

Just like the fact I wouldn't be caught dead in a subligar.

pft i walk around in a turban and subligar onry. and actually i like the turban better that HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE gold spike annoys me.

QFT!

"Tiers" only exist on recast (as they have to whole numbers) but your melee swing rate can any fraction of a second, so for meleeing, more haste is always better than less haste (unless you are losing lots of acc, which in the turban/askar case you are not).

And as you are not losing any enmity, more haste is always better for spells (again only applicable to the turban/askar case)

ninja edit for stupidity

ya, windower macros makes PLD macros easy. And they are super simple to make. Spellcast... never got into that.

Only acceptable if you are female (subligar part). :P
Gold is bling bling y0!

@ Argettio
Yes! exactly what i am saying. If you don;t break tier for spells the piece is useless. That was my original argument at least... sorry if it seemed that i was putting haste down for DD....

I'll be gimp before I wear a subligar.

I don't mind the turban. I'm used to it on WHM.

That's not exactly what you are saying...

There's not even tiers for spells. If you could see the milliseconds, then you'd see 1% is an increase even if it didn't take away a full second.

Thought it was truncated to the tenth of a second?

I'm just glad no one said wtf is a Fowling Earring doing on your PLD, LOL! Idk how it got there oO!
Should be a hades earring with a sweet agi+2 augment, but idk what happened that day.

Just like the one dynamis I did with that crappy augmented potent belt that one time. I thought the hate seemed funny that run. Wasn't until an hour after I got I was like wtf is doing on, OH! thats why.

The easiest gear macro to do is the parade gorget to ritter gorget for JAs, vokes, flashes, and cures. Past that, I try to make it simple until I use windower stuff.

Not entirely true, during some haste testing on BG it was suggest (with pretty strong supporting evidence) that spell recast is round up to the nearest second.

I will look for the link

Word.
Turban's a good look for a WHM.

ok so.... back to what i said on like page 2...

Flash: Haste -> Fast Cast -> Enmity (Flash has high base enmity gain)

that was my entire argument on the whole haste thing....

wow, what happened when I went to sleep? did the short bus lose a few kids in here? lol

Just a couple.

i noticed people commenting on swords, its all situational really. for example Tinnin can be really brutal if you allow it to build tp so using a joytoy would be very effective since you would hit for 0 most of the time, or you could use Macuahuitl +1 and just face him for more enmity, anyways my pld set changes all the time depending on the mob.

Well, PLD is not an amazing tank for Tinnin anyway. However, if you're going to then I wouldn't use Joyeuse either because Atonement is ineffective. In those cases I would recommend Macua+1, Sinfender or even lolHauteclaire.

I have a question about the controversy over haste over shield skill. W/ all my run-ins with EG, Haste and shield has always been an issue and on here, it seems to be the same issue. lol. Is there a certain amount of shield skill to even consider rely on shield skill to help with putting up ichi? imo, It's just safer to cap recast which is at 50% first. Normally, I don't rely on koening head to save me when I tank. Usually, just being able to cap recast w/ marchx2 and 15% haste x 2 is enough to simply worry about shadows like a BLU or NIN tank.

Also, if you are able to keep hate and not die, you're not doing it wrong, right? I always get bitched at b/c I only wanted to tank if I didn't have to buy gear. I used the setup of askar hands and sentinel shield. 3% haste 4 enmity over the usual dusk glove and koening to cast shadows in which is 3% haste 3 enmity. Although the first one you lose a lot of DEF. This was strictly for gods and I was always main tank or a BLU/NIN was main tank.

haste is not to important on ichi, you want to fill your slots with w/e fast cast you can get and the rest with shield skill. i have never used sentinel shield myself, i guess if you were struggling with haste for NI it would be a good option

That extra "enmity"(hp) you talk about only applies when you get hit which you already stated, shouldn't happen often enough to make a difference on pld/nin. If it did then you bring the whole vit/def back into play, so your hp point is moot. Oh yeah, losing a shadow is a static enmity loss, hp doesn't effect it.

http://kanican.livejournal.com/13848.html Something everyone should read, but for aspiring plds, its a must.

at the end of the day, if your a good /nin tank you wont get hit to notice the vit and terror shield is like 2 mil cheaper

@Jouliont as quotes don't seem to be working

I started with the LS Jouliont is referring to just as he left it and I learned a lot tanking with Janeth (blu/nin). Janeth is the best co-tank I've ever had the pleasure to tank with and to help matters Minimax was the best whm too. As a result I didn't wear any shield gear at all for those god fights (I kept it in a oshi.. macro but never once used it). From very early on in the fight my Atonement would land for 700+ dmg but I still couldn't dominate hate with Janeth around so the mobs just spent the whole time trying to work out who to swat first, me or Janeth, and as a result swatting neither. I don't remember one occasion where anyone other than the 2 tanks had hate, that might just be my rose coloured spectacles though.

That LS proved to me time and time again that with a good enough co-tank and a whm who gets enfeebs off asap shield gear is pointless for 99% of the fight.

What I do now with shield gear on big fights is make sure I have 50% haste and then add shield gear everywhere else for my ichi cast, feet are a good example as you can get 10/12 shield skill by swapping out 2/3% haste which can be made up in other places. Ni is easier to gear as you can just pile on haste and don't sorry about shield skill.


As for people who think Atonement is overated or something then I'd say they just haven't seen a good enough pld using it. Just like Raenryong said above, a good pld should be hitting for close to maximim damage from very early on in the fight. My biggest problem to get over is if my co-tank can keep up, if they can't I end up single tanking, take a hit as a result and lose a chunk of enmity from CE bleed. If I wait for the other tank then hate isn't nearly solid enough for my liking and sometimes the melee or blm's take a hit. It's for this reason I'm not a big fan of pld and rdm tanking teams, rdm is an amazing tank but it takes too long to get hate built up in my opinion which holds me back too, obviously towards the end of the fight rdm is an amazing tank but it compromises me quite a bit waiting for them.

Atonement is not easy to get the most use out of, it requires the pld has a very solid tp build (most aren't even close) and it needs the pld to be much more "gung-ho" which means you need a good co-tank and top class support. You also need things like a cheat cure macro to push hate fast and a good enmity build etc... As a result I have no doubt what so ever that many pld's get meh results from atonement, dismiss it and put a macu +1 on instead. Get it right though and Atonement will blow your mind. Problem is to make the most out of it there is only so much the pld can do on his own.