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FFXI LGBT Community, who are you?
Ragnarok.Haorhu
サーバ: Ragnarok
Game: FFXI
Posts: 282
By Ragnarok.Haorhu 2014-02-17 11:39:47
Carbuncle.Protectorchrono said: »Never thought I would find a FFXI LGBT Community! I'm gay, 26 and live in the US. Nice to meet you all! :D Anyone from Carbuncle or Bahamut run a LGBT LS I could join?
Hey nice to meet and welcome i here
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Alexander.Carrelo
サーバ: Alexander
Game: FFXI
Posts: 3706
By Alexander.Carrelo 2014-02-17 16:39:32
Carbuncle.Protectorchrono said: »Never thought I would find a FFXI LGBT Community! I'm gay, 26 and live in the US. Nice to meet you all! :D Anyone from Carbuncle or Bahamut run a LGBT LS I could join? This thread is a total ghost town lately, but welcome all the same. :]
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Lakshmi.Thom
サーバ: Lakshmi
Game: FFXI
Posts: 36
By Lakshmi.Thom 2014-02-17 16:47:13
Im looking for a new opportunity. A fresh start is always good.
Alexander.Carrelo
サーバ: Alexander
Game: FFXI
Posts: 3706
By Alexander.Carrelo 2014-02-17 16:56:45
Im looking for a new opportunity. A fresh start is always good. Same here! I just had an interview for a position teaching Mandarin at a nearby university. :] They seemed pretty impressed, so I'm crossing my fingers there will be enough students to open a class.
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Lakshmi.Thom
サーバ: Lakshmi
Game: FFXI
Posts: 36
By Lakshmi.Thom 2014-02-17 18:09:46
IRL and In game. Im thinking about paying for a world transfer.
By Darkdawn777 2014-02-25 02:25:28
Hey hey!
Just started a new LS in Shiva, and over half our members are GLBT ect. Totally open to anyone who wants to join and help me make a GLBT friendly ls.
Most are playing from Japan, but we come from many different countries.
If there any Shiva players around looking for some fun/companionship/willing to assist---hit me up in game. Darkdawn
LSのメンバーを募集しています!
Shivaの新しいリンクシェールを作りました!たまたまなんだけど半分以上はゲイかレズです。w 殆どは日本に住んでる人で日本語は全然オッケーです!
是非、是非 入りたいと思ったらゲームの中でTELLをしてください!ゲームの名前はDarkdawnです。宜しくお願いします。
Asura.Natenn
サーバ: Asura
Game: FFXI
Posts: 1979
By Asura.Natenn 2014-02-25 18:45:51
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サーバ: Shiva
Game: FFXI
Posts: 3621
By Shiva.Onorgul 2014-02-25 18:58:07
over half our members are GLBT So... three out of five, then?
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Alexander.Carrelo
サーバ: Alexander
Game: FFXI
Posts: 3706
By Alexander.Carrelo 2014-02-25 21:03:10
Hey hey!
Just started a new LS in Shiva, and over half our members are GLBT ect. Totally open to anyone who wants to join and help me make a GLBT friendly ls.
Most are playing from Japan, but we come from many different countries.
If there any Shiva players around looking for some fun/companionship/willing to assist---hit me up in game. Darkdawn
LSのメンバーを募集しています!
Shivaの新しいリンクシェールを作りました!たまたまなんだけど半分以上はゲイかレズです。w 殆どは日本に住んでる人で日本語は全然オッケーです!
是非、是非 入りたいと思ったらゲームの中でTELLをしてください!ゲームの名前はDarkdawnです。宜しくお願いします。 フォーラムへようこそ!
昨年中国に住んでいる時に、この種のリンクシェールが要りました!今は他の時間帯だから、アメリカ友達のLSに参加しました。このため、ゲームの時間が限られています。しかし、時々手伝うことが出来るかもしれません^^ 日本語が下手ですけどw
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Alexander.Carrelo
サーバ: Alexander
Game: FFXI
Posts: 3706
By Alexander.Carrelo 2014-02-26 01:11:02
What's with all the people on grindr "just looking for friends"? 90% of them are obviously there to hook up or score a date, but I feel like they could accomplish both of those things a lot faster if they'd just admit it in the first place. <___<
Seriously, even the ones who go to the trouble of putting "partnered" in their profile will eventually go from "oh, I'm just here to chat" to "sooooo, wanna come over tonight?"
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サーバ: Carbuncle
Game: FFXI
Posts: 31
By Carbuncle.Protectorchrono 2014-02-26 01:17:41
Alexander.Carrelo said: »What's with all the people on grindr "just looking for friends"? 90% of them are obviously there to hook up or score a date, but I feel like they could accomplish both of those things a lot faster if they'd just admit it in the first place. <___<
Seriously, even the ones who go to the trouble of putting "partnered" in their profile will eventually go from "oh, I'm just here to chat" to "sooooo, wanna come over tonight?"
Hehe their probably just to shy to admit they are there for more then "just looking for friends". xD
Alexander.Carrelo
サーバ: Alexander
Game: FFXI
Posts: 3706
By Alexander.Carrelo 2014-02-26 01:33:44
idk lol, they never seem very shy to me!
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Cerberus.Elvyn
サーバ: Cerberus
Game: FFXI
Posts: 116
By Cerberus.Elvyn 2014-02-26 02:04:38
Alexander.Carrelo said: »idk lol, they never seem very shy to me! ROFL 100% true. I think tbh it's so if someone proposition's them who isn't there type/preferred shag they can fall back on the "I'm Sorry, I'm just looking for chat at the moment"... Maybe that says more about me though ¬_¬ lol
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Alexander.Carrelo
サーバ: Alexander
Game: FFXI
Posts: 3706
By Alexander.Carrelo 2014-02-26 02:14:18
Hmmm that actually makes sense. I've always seen it as kind of a sign of respect to (politely) tell someone if you aren't interested, because otherwise you're treating them like they can't handle it. This way could definitely save some hassle though... lol
Cerberus.Elvyn
サーバ: Cerberus
Game: FFXI
Posts: 116
By Cerberus.Elvyn 2014-02-26 03:46:33
Yea... I'v tried the "I'm sorry your not my type/not interested" normally I get back a msg say "OMGWADD you're racist/size-st/ageist/fat/stupid" etc...etc... Problem is in England most people who use Grndr also use Gaydar, so there are odd occasions when then track you down on both to have a go at you.
サーバ: Shiva
Game: FFXI
Posts: 3621
By Shiva.Onorgul 2014-02-26 05:07:42
Alexander.Carrelo said: »Hmmm that actually makes sense. I've always seen it as kind of a sign of respect to (politely) tell someone if you aren't interested, because otherwise you're treating them like they can't handle it. This way could definitely save some hassle though... lol a.) Most people don't do respect.
b.) How do you do this politely? I'm serious. Even someone who is used to rejection never really comes to handle it well. They might not say anything about it, but most people don't want to hurt feelings, so it's an impossible tightrope.
This is especially true on a place like Grindr for a handful of reasons. For one, it's inherently superficial, so saying, "You're not my type," almost always carries some very definite implications that do not reflect well on the person saying it. I once got into a debate with someone who I wasn't into for a variety of reasons but he was convinced that it was primarily the color of his skin (it wasn't) and... yeah, I'm bad at walking away from debates but that one I exited in a hurry.
Additionally, since it is mostly just a hook-up app, I find that some people are not going to alienate someone in case they should become desperate or feel like wrangling something specific. I've lost count of how many unattractive guys who've propositioned for me to use them like a blow-up doll because that's what they've been conditioned to accept (the list of things I find less attractive than treating someone that way is rather short, too).
And the whole "just looking for friends" schtick is also because, especially in the gay community, you can be tracked down. If one uses, let's say, both Grindr and Manhunt, as I know many people do, keeping a consistent front is necessary, especially when you're cheating, as so many are. That and just not wanting to look like the easiest piece of *** in a 10-mile radius tend to incentivize dishonesty.
Better question to ask: Why are you on Grindr? I'm in no place to judge based on some of the hooking up that I've done, but a big part of why I moved past that was because it didn't fulfill my needs, it was a major hassle to wade through the ***, and pretending that it was anything more than a place to hook up was self-deluding. I know there are exceptions. I met one of my boyfriends on Manhunt, after all. But it's probably a 5% chance at best. Far better to wander towards more relationship-oriented places unless you are just looking for easy sex. If you are, by all means, carry on.
Alexander.Carrelo
サーバ: Alexander
Game: FFXI
Posts: 3706
By Alexander.Carrelo 2014-02-26 18:55:17
I know it makes it hard to read, but I'm spoilering my response to most of this. I talk too much. :<
a.) Most people don't do respect. Yeah, but that just makes it more important in my opinion.
b.) How do you do this politely? I'm serious. Even someone who is used to rejection never really comes to handle it well. They might not say anything about it, but most people don't want to hurt feelings, so it's an impossible tightrope.
This is especially true on a place like Grindr for a handful of reasons. For one, it's inherently superficial, so saying, "You're not my type," almost always carries some very definite implications that do not reflect well on the person saying it.
Not hurting people's feelings is always one of my greatest concerns. I agree that it's usually an "impossible tightrope" as you put it, but each exchange is made up of a series of choices that you end up having to make one way or the other. Whether or not to answer someone's message, whether or not to allow a conversation to take place, and (eventually) whether or not to take it any further. I try to make these choices as fairly as I can.
Example: I haven't hooked up in a long time, and my profile warns people that I'm not looking for casual sex with strangers. If someone ignores this and asks me anyway, I won't feel bad about not replying. Usually I'll say something like "sorry, not looking to hook up" and wish them good luck, but I don't see it as unfair to end that conversation before it starts.
The only other time I'll straight up refuse to talk with someone is if their message is rude. This is where it gets difficult, though. I'm happy to talk with just about anyone, but usually I know from the start if I'm actually interested in meeting. Do I ignore the fact that neither of us is there "just to talk" by continuing the conversation? Do I presumptuously say that I'm not interested before being asked? The first option might make him feel led on, but the second option suggests that I'm so superficial that I won't even talk to someone who doesn't interest me sexually. I assume this is what you mean by the "implications" of saying that someone isn't your type? Maybe it really is best to lie and say you're only looking for chat.
At any rate, I've done a lot of thinking about "types." I think it's unfortunate that we limit our options by insisting on a certain collection of superficial traits, but I don't know that it's necessarily wrong to "have a type." Most people don't have just one type anyway; when I say someone isn't "my type," it just means that the person in question doesn't possess very many of the traits that I find the most attractive. It doesn't mean I think the person is unattractive--a lot of the people I've met who weren't my type could be very successful models by anyone's standards including my own--just that, for whatever reason, he doesn't illicit a very powerful response from me.
I don't think this "powerful response" is necessary to a successful relationship, but I also don't think it's wrong to pursue it. After all, we don't have any conscious control over what attracts us. If we did, poor misguided teenage me would've turned himself straight long ago. More importantly though, no one has the inherent right to another person's attraction; simply not feeling attracted to someone does him no harm, nor does the act of telling him the truth if he has pursued you. On the other hand, calling someone unattractive is different: at this point, you're no longer talking about your own feeling (which he should view as insignificant)--you're making a general statement about him and suggesting that others will feel the same.
I once got into a debate with someone who I wasn't into for a variety of reasons but he was convinced that it was primarily the color of his skin (it wasn't) and... yeah, I'm bad at walking away from debates but that one I exited in a hurry.
Additionally, since it is mostly just a hook-up app, I find that some people are not going to alienate someone in case they should become desperate or feel like wrangling something specific. Ugh, the question of race and attraction is such a massive can of worms. In my case, I don't think it's possible for someone who isn't white to possess more than like... a couple of the physical traits I like. Skin color isn't especially important to me, but it just happens to preclude a lot of other things that I find attractive.
So for me at least, the race thing and the "type" thing are closely related. I don't think that individual people can be held responsible for preferring certain superficial traits to others, but I do think that society as a whole needs to address the horribly narrow definition of beauty that permeates the media (and thus, our own subconscious). This is why it's important to include people of different races (and mixes of races!) and body types in our popular culture--not because it's "politically correct." It's only politically correct because there's a reason for it, dammit! XD
And the whole "just looking for friends" schtick is also because, especially in the gay community, you can be tracked down. If one uses, let's say, both Grindr and Manhunt, as I know many people do, keeping a consistent front is necessary, especially when you're cheating, as so many are. That and just not wanting to look like the easiest piece of *** in a 10-mile radius tend to incentivize dishonesty. Yeah, there are so few in the community that everyone knows (and has likely dated) everyone else. x.x It just breeds trouble. I'm glad I have friends from college and work so I don't have to depend on the community for friendship and dating. That would be so awkward lol
Also *** Manhunt!! That ***was great when I was in China where it's free, but there is absolutely no point in paying for a hookup site in the US when you can use Grindr for free. XD I didn't have wifi or a data plan for my phone in China, but I don't think that is very common here at all. Sorry Manhunt.
Better question to ask: Why are you on Grindr? I'm in no place to judge based on some of the hooking up that I've done, but a big part of why I moved past that was because it didn't fulfill my needs, it was a major hassle to wade through the ***, and pretending that it was anything more than a place to hook up was self-deluding. I know there are exceptions. I met one of my boyfriends on Manhunt, after all. But it's probably a 5% chance at best. Far better to wander towards more relationship-oriented places unless you are just looking for easy sex. If you are, by all means, carry on. Yeah, I don't really know. For awhile I liked it for hookups, but I don't really do that anymore. It's not that I didn't enjoy hooking up or that I think there's anything wrong with it, I just ended up deciding the risk outweighed the benefit. I'm a worrier, so even though I'm careful to a fault, I don't like the whatever-fraction-of-a-chance that something would get through a condom. I don't like that weighing on my mind when I go in for a blood test. I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to hooking up with someone I already know and trust, but people I meet on Grindr don't exactly qualify and I don't have any single friends who interest me that way either.
At any rate, due to the absence of any better options, I'm on Grindr for that 5% chance of something worthwhile. It doesn't work very well of course, but yea. I have no idea what the better options even are lol
サーバ: Shiva
Game: FFXI
Posts: 3621
By Shiva.Onorgul 2014-02-26 20:08:36
Alexander.Carrelo said: »At any rate, I've done a lot of thinking about "types." I think it's unfortunate that we limit our options by insisting on a certain collection of superficial traits, but I don't know that it's necessarily wrong to "have a type." I suspect I've done at least as much thinking about this as you, if not more. I am hamstrung by knowing too much, though.
I've come to two rather disparate conclusions about typing as regards myself. If I'm feeling arrogant, I imagine I'm far from unique. The first thing I've noticed regards what I say is my preferred type. If I rattled off a short list of traits I prefer, many of which are personality-related rather than physical, by the way, you could construct a fairly reasonable picture of the sort of person I'm looking for. What I have found, though, is that I am rarely interested in someone who actually fulfills those qualities, especially the superficial ones. After much soul-searching, I've realized it is because I'm not saying who I want to be with but rather who I want to be.
The second thing, which somewhat dovetails with the above, is that I have a very predictable type when it comes to who I end up dating and they differ greatly from the type I would name in the above paragraph. Simple example, I say that I prefer light-colored hair but literally everyone I've dated has had dark hair. And I'm dirty blond, so further support of my earlier conclusion. Additional analysis of who I have dated, though, coupled with my compulsion to read virtually anything put in front of me has led to a place most people are not comfortable acknowledging. The personality I am most likely to be attracted to, the person whom I will try to date, is ultimately my father. Lots of research suggests this is fairly typical, too, hence the many men accused of wanting to marry their mother are probably unconsciously doing exactly that.
Neither of the above actually bother me, but I'm not normal.
The final straw when it comes to all this, though, is that a large part of why we're attracted to someone over another person is chemical. Even though we're not breeding, our bodies are still built around finding a good genetic match. And this returns to the parental thing, too: we tend to prefer someone who is genetically similar to our parents, especially that of whichever sex we prefer (no clue how that plays out for bisexuals). Tests have shown that straight women smelling lightly used t-shirts will overwhelmingly favor the scent of men who are close to (but not exactly) their father's genome. It takes "kissing cousins" to some weird new places. But, in the meantime, it is part of why you'll occasionally see an 8 with a 4: hormones and genetics are playing a role, although social considerations are still a big part.
Alexander.Carrelo said: »Ugh, the question of race and attraction is such a massive can of worms. In my case, I don't think it's possible for someone who isn't white to possess more than like... a couple of the physical traits I like. Skin color isn't especially important to me, but it just happens to preclude a lot of other things that I find attractive. No one likes to talk about it, leastwise liberal white folk like us, but humans are inherently "racist." We're tribal by nature and a big part of why "all them Orientals look the same" (substitute race/ethnicity of choice) is because our brains literally do not expend the same processing power on different tribes. Someone born in Africa can spot the difference between nations with the same frequency that a European or European-descended American can guess someone's national heritage on looks alone. I'm actually pretty good at judging East Asians, which is weird since my first real exposure to them was at age 18.
This goes back to the genetic marker thing, too. It seems odd that we've evolved so as to narrow our genome instead of expand it, but there is a strong instinct involved that fuels tribalism in all its facets. We're designed to distrust things that are different. How depressing.
Alexander.Carrelo said: »Yeah, I don't really know. For awhile I liked it for hookups, but I don't really do that anymore. I used to browse through places like Grindr (note: I don't have a smartphone so I'm much more familiar with websites than apps) just out of bitterness and to laugh. But I don't find schadenfreude very fulfilling. Once I realized that I had no interest in hooking up anymore, as a big part of all the above soul-searching was to figure out what the hell it was that I was after, the whole thing became tedious. It's not that I'm against sex or even casual sex, but I see no value in anonymity. I can only imagine how some of the guys I've hooked up with over the years must have felt when, by the time he left, I knew half his life story because I want to know who I am with, even if I never see him again. I don't get the point of anonymity.
The risk factor is certainly present, but if I were to make that claim, I'd be lying. I am not saying that is true for you. My last ex dissolved our relationship amicably because he's seropositive and I'm not and it was too much for him to handle, so I definitely understand. But even though sex is usually better than masturbation, it doesn't justify the trouble for me if it's anonymous and one-time-only. Which is part of why I have long stints of celibacy, because for all that people talk about "friends with benefits," I've rarely seen it pulled off.
Anyhow, although I doubt it makes you feel any better, you and I are both voicing concerns that have persisted in the community for as long as the community has existed. And many of the same problems crop up in the lesbian and straight communities, too, though each of the three major waystations has its own unique aspects.
Personally, I blame Disney (figuratively speaking). The world would be a lot better if people accepted that 99% of everyone we meet, we'll never remember and, moreover, 99% of every attempt at a relationship will probably fail. The whole love-at-first-sight/true-love-forever schtick is what ruins people, making them hopeless or callous or apathetic, often all three. My parents have been together since high school and growing up with that knowledge has been a direct cause of half my relationship neuroses, what with me being well past high school and nowhere near a long-term stable relationship.
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By Darkdawn777 2014-03-02 21:02:28
over half our members are GLBT So... three out of five, then?
6 out of 8 thank you. ;-) Care to add to those numbers?
By Darkdawn777 2014-03-02 21:10:02
What's our shell focus?
So far our shell is perfectly divided into people who have been playing for awhile and new players. At first our focus was Abyssea, but now we are just trying to help raise up the new players and have fun doing it.
It's less of a "delve only" or "skirmish only" focus and more of a "let's help everyone and have fun" theme.
Lot's of content the higher end of our LS hasn't done yet, so someone who could guide us through stuff is for sure welcome!
Carello, 日本語は上手ですね。w 勿論時間があれば一緒に遊びましょう! ShivaのCharacterがありますか?もしあれば、是非私たちと日本語の練習をしてください。
アメリカの昼の間誰もいないと思うけど深夜と朝6人ー8人がいます!
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サーバ: Shiva
Game: FFXI
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2014-03-02 21:29:05
over half our members are GLBT So... three out of five, then?
6 out of 8 thank you. ;-) Care to add to those numbers? Would consider it if I was playing. And don't mind the snark, I was really just commenting on low server population.
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Alexander.Carrelo
サーバ: Alexander
Game: FFXI
Posts: 3706
By Alexander.Carrelo 2014-03-02 22:38:05
ありますよ!ShivaとAlexanderは同じワールドになりました~ でもAlexanderの方がすごかったと思いますw
もしあれば、是非私たちと日本語の練習をしてください。
アメリカの昼の間誰もいないと思うけど深夜と朝6人ー8人がいます! LSと日本語の練習するのが楽しそうです^^
残念ながら、一般的に、その時に寝ています。(/ω\)
Alexander.Carrelo
サーバ: Alexander
Game: FFXI
Posts: 3706
By Alexander.Carrelo 2014-03-02 23:10:57
fml x.x /sea all abysgraub, only 1 person in zone. Not THF, not /THF, no seacom. I'm like, sweet, I can finally work some more on these *** souls. Except nope. Of course that one guy would be doing souls with no TH. I swear to god, this ***is being camped every single time I check. -.-
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By Darkdawn777 2014-03-03 00:52:59
over half our members are GLBT So... three out of five, then?
6 out of 8 thank you. ;-) Care to add to those numbers? Would consider it if I was playing. And don't mind the snark, I was really just commenting on low server population.
Aww, well come back and play and add to the server population!
I love a bit of snark. Snark away! :-)
Leviathan.Hohenheim
サーバ: Leviathan
Game: FFXI
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By Leviathan.Hohenheim 2014-03-03 02:38:28
I;m convinced all of those websites and apps are just ***. I can't for the life of me get someone to actually talk let alone meet up. I don't believe its because im ugly or shallow or boring or whatever. I think people are so detached online, I'd bet each of those people if I met in person, I could land a date with them, but everyones so damn flakey online.
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Alexander.Carrelo
サーバ: Alexander
Game: FFXI
Posts: 3706
By Alexander.Carrelo 2014-03-03 02:54:03
Yeah, the online aspect makes it hard for a lot of people to remember that they're dealing with more than just a photo and a tagline. They don't consider the consequences that their flakiness will have for other people (wasted time, hurt feelings, etc.). Some of them are really just *** too. Can't forget the ***!
Alexander.Carrelo
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By Alexander.Carrelo 2014-03-03 03:03:40
Ughhhh another person came to pop Gamayun despite my seacom. -.- And good lord it's taking forever for him to kill. How does someone need 8min to kill Gamayun with ilevel gear? o__O
Edit: Ugh, no pdt set on the WHM. Splat. Watching someone zombie Maere while waiting on the T2 they killed is soooo much fun. x.x People should just stick to Altepa or Uleguerand if they aren't prepared... what a waste of time. ><
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Lakshmi.Thom
サーバ: Lakshmi
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Posts: 36
By Lakshmi.Thom 2014-03-03 15:21:07
Shiva sounds good. 1 LGBT friendly LS and a Beastmaster/SMN ls. it would be good.
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Asura.Ohomin
サーバ: Asura
Game: FFXI
Posts: 30
By Asura.Ohomin 2014-03-03 15:46:05
Just thought i'd pop in and say hi XD. Don't have id's paid for yet so bored staring at ffxiah.com oh and listening to some random tunes... ò.ó
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Just curious to see how many of us actually play FFXI. **Now, let's try to keep this clean, please don't respond if you have nothing nice to say.** :] Don't be shy, speak up! :D
EDIT: You don't have to be gay to post in here, if you want to be apart of our conversations.. feel free to join in! Don't be shy, we don't bite.. well some of us do! :] Anyyyyyways~! This thread has become a home to many from the LGBT community & even some from the straight community who are open minded and enjoy chit-chatting with us, :] so let's keep it drama free, we deserve a place where we can be ourselves without being made fun of/harassed.
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