Whats The Best Food For Nin/dnc Eva Tank?

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whats the best food for nin/dnc eva tank?
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-03-21 15:29:57  
Fairy.Shiyo said:
-PDT is always better than evasion!
Shadows up and no killer AoE/multihit TP moves!

Hitetsu's right, that's not a good statement to make in absolutes.
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By Fairy.Spence 2010-03-21 15:31:45  
Only Sith deal in absolutes.

/just watched Return of the Sith
/puts on nerd glasses
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By Fairy.Shiyo 2010-03-21 15:32:16  
I agree evasion gear is good for "OH ***" macros, but I just put -pdt in mine instead.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-03-21 15:32:25  
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Only Sith deal in absolutes.

/just watched Return of the Sith
/puts on nerd glasses
The irony of that quote has always fascinated me.
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By Carbuncle.Xandor 2010-03-21 15:32:34  
Fairy.Shiyo said:
-PDT is always better than evasion!

Because getting hit for 10 points less dmg will not interrupt you when you cast shadows?
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By Fairy.Spence 2010-03-21 15:33:42  
Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Fairy.Spence said:
Only Sith deal in absolutes.

/just watched Return of the Sith
/puts on nerd glasses
The irony of that quote has always fascinated me.

It was a flop of a movie IMO
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-03-21 15:39:54  
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Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Fairy.Spence said:
Only Sith deal in absolutes.

/just watched Return of the Sith
/puts on nerd glasses
The irony of that quote has always fascinated me.

It was a flop of a movie IMO
The whole prequel trilogy was a flop to be honest. I blame the midichlorians. Special effects were alright though.
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By Fairy.Spence 2010-03-21 15:44:48  
I still enjoyed the last 20-30 minutse in the Phantom Menace

I liked the song Dual Fates playing while they had their lightsaber duel
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By Carbuncle.Axle 2010-03-21 15:45:03  
Fairy.Shiyo said:
I agree evasion gear is good for "OH ***" macros, but I just put -pdt in mine instead.

What do you tank?
Have you solo'ed anything that requires eva tanking?
Do you always have a team of 6 ppl?
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By Fairy.Shiyo 2010-03-21 15:45:22  
Carbuncle.Xandor said:
Fairy.Shiyo said:
-PDT is always better than evasion!

Because getting hit for 10 points less dmg will not interrupt you when you cast shadows?
If you're getting interrupted you need to learn how to blinktank :(
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By Sylph.Hitetsu 2010-03-21 15:46:18  
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Carbuncle.Xandor said:
Fairy.Shiyo said:
-PDT is always better than evasion!

Because getting hit for 10 points less dmg will not interrupt you when you cast shadows?
If you're getting interrupted you need to learn how to blinktank :(

Bune readies Fang Rush.

There you go /goodbye your Ni cast.
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By Fairy.Spence 2010-03-21 15:48:20  
As Shiyo has told me before, I'm a fail NIN, but I don't see how you can keep shadows up consistently while solo on stuff that attacks fairly fast/accurately with DA
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By Bismarck.Aryden 2010-03-21 15:51:13  
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Because getting hit for 10 points less dmg will not interrupt you when you cast shadows?

Get more -pdt, i can idle in -47% PDT. Still doesnt detract from getting interrupted though. Generally speaking, i will only really start casting ichi in eva, then swap to haste before i finish my cast to get the benefits of both eva and reduced timers.
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By Fairy.Shiyo 2010-03-21 16:08:53  
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As Shiyo has told me before, I'm a fail NIN, but I don't see how you can keep shadows up consistently while solo on stuff that attacks fairly fast/accurately with DA
I don't know, I can keep shadows up vs TAing VT thief goblins @_@

Hojo/blind/para help a TON
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By Carbuncle.Xandor 2010-03-21 16:10:41  
Fairy.Shiyo said:
Carbuncle.Xandor said:
Fairy.Shiyo said:
-PDT is always better than evasion!

Because getting hit for 10 points less dmg will not interrupt you when you cast shadows?
If you're getting interrupted you need to learn how to blinktank :(

Remind me again exactly why you need -PDT on nin if you always have shadows up?

You are not making any sense at all.

Edit: meaning as you seem to never get interupted
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By Fairy.Shiyo 2010-03-21 16:12:30  
Carbuncle.Xandor said:
Fairy.Shiyo said:
Carbuncle.Xandor said:
Fairy.Shiyo said:
-PDT is always better than evasion!

Because getting hit for 10 points less dmg will not interrupt you when you cast shadows?
If you're getting interrupted you need to learn how to blinktank :(

Remind me again exactly why you need -PDT on nin if you always have shadows up?

You are not making any sense at all.

Edit: meaning as you seem to never get interupted

Because when shadows are about to be down, you want to reduce the damage you're about to bloodtank for 1-2 hits.
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By Carbuncle.Xandor 2010-03-21 16:13:48  
Fairy.Shiyo said:
Carbuncle.Xandor said:
Fairy.Shiyo said:
Carbuncle.Xandor said:
Fairy.Shiyo said:
-PDT is always better than evasion!

Because getting hit for 10 points less dmg will not interrupt you when you cast shadows?
If you're getting interrupted you need to learn how to blinktank :(

Remind me again exactly why you need -PDT on nin if you always have shadows up?

You are not making any sense at all.

Edit: meaning as you seem to never get interupted

Because when shadows are about to be down, you want to reduce the damage you're about to bloodtank for 1-2 hits.

And when you're bloodtanking in your -PDT gear, you dont get interupted when recasting shadows?
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By Fairy.Shiyo 2010-03-21 16:14:33  
You time your shadows casts, ni is back up, etc etc. You don't cast like you're not even looking at your monitor, you cast between mob hits etc
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By Carbuncle.Xandor 2010-03-21 16:17:04  
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You time your shadows casts, ni is back up, etc etc. You don't cast like you're not even looking at your monitor, you cast between mob hits etc

I'm not even gonna argue with you.

"Real NIN dont need eva setup, becuause they bloodtank when shadows are down. -PDT all the way!"
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By Fairy.Shiyo 2010-03-21 16:18:12  
Uh, no. There are situations where you ARE going to get hit 1-2 times because you have to wait for the mobs attack round or your shadow timers aren't up yet.
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By Carbuncle.Axle 2010-03-21 16:27:38  
This is sooooo LOL already.
You don't need eva build, but you get hit cause your outta shadows. But your 1337 cause you don't need eva build. Cause you think your a good blink tanker.

Good blink tanker's don't get hit.

On simply NM's like Bune or LoO, you build eva so that you can tank with 1-2 shadows on at all times. Ever had shadows down on one of those and get a cross attack or fang rush?

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By Diabolos.Ghlin 2010-03-21 16:32:04  
afaik, nin/drk was kinda a fad, but i know some LSes still implement it. but nin/drk uses spells to generate hate rather than melee. a lot of ***isn't 'blind' so to speak, meaning evading is pointless.

i've read varying accounts about how much enmity+ is needed for hate generation, but 20 seems to be about where you want to be.

either way, nin/drk doesn't want to feed tp, so he uses earth staff. evasion won't matter, so he uses PDT on his armor (arhat's, jelly ring). or in the case of some monsters, resistance gear. resist+250? for most things, and barfire+350 for tiamat. (that's w/ bar&carol mind you.)

PDT *is* good in an oh'***macro against something you can't evade. but against something you can evade, evasion obviously is better.

also byakko triple attack followed by an immediate WS says hello. unpredictable ***like that happens, PDT helps.

my 2 cents
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By Carbuncle.Axle 2010-03-21 16:34:33  
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afaik, nin/drk was kinda a fad, but i know some LSes still implement it. but nin/drk uses spells to generate hate rather than melee. a lot of ***isn't 'blind' so to speak, meaning evading is pointless.

i've read varying accounts about how much enmity is needed for hate generation, but 20 seems to be about where you want to be.

either way, nin/drk doesn't want to feed tp, so he uses earth staff. evasion won't matter, so he uses PDT on his armor (arhat's, jelly ring). or in the case of some monsters, resistance gear. resist 250? for most things, and barfire 350 for tiamat. (that's w/ bar&carol mind you.)

PDT *is* good in an oh'***macro against something you can't evade. but against something you can evade, evasion obviously is better.

also byakko triple attack followed by an immediate WS says hello. unpredictable ***like that happens, PDT helps.

my 2 cents

You solo Byakko as nin/dnc?
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By Diabolos.Ghlin 2010-03-21 16:36:18  
i said nin/drk, but no i don't. but PDT helps when you're against something that can bypass the shadow wall easily like that.

and duo nin/drk tanks on byakko can be 'one'-shotted this way. ***pld/nins can.
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By Carbuncle.Axle 2010-03-21 16:39:51  
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i said nin/drk, but no i don't. but PDT helps when you're against something that can bypass the shadow wall easily like that.

and duo nin/drk tanks on byakko can be 'one'-shotted this way. ***pld/nins can.

Yes i understand. But we're talking about the usefulness of evasion in solo nin/dnc situations. Not in a Large Scale NM situation. PDT- works on Byakko i understand, but on small solo/duo'able stuff, PDT- is just asking for trouble. You shouldn't of got to the point where you ran outta shadows.
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By Diabolos.Ghlin 2010-03-21 16:42:52  
oh. who does nin/dnc?

also for nin/drk, i suggest reading this link: http://kanican.livejournal.com/1929.html
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By Carbuncle.Axle 2010-03-21 16:44:11  
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oh. who does nin/dnc?

also for nin/drk, i suggest reading this link: http://kanican.livejournal.com/1929.html

You don't solo i take it.

Anyway, main point is ACC food for solo nin/dnc still applies. Cause you want tp for cures.
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By Diabolos.Ghlin 2010-03-21 16:48:42  
if we're going by the title of the OP it says tank, not solo, but either way i didn't read it either.

but nin/whm solos just fine. or nin/sch. haven't tried the more daring solos, like charybdis, but no need to. idk. i don't take my nin too seriously.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-03-21 16:48:52  
Fairy.Shiyo said:
Fairy.Spence said:
As Shiyo has told me before, I'm a fail NIN, but I don't see how you can keep shadows up consistently while solo on stuff that attacks fairly fast/accurately with DA
I don't know, I can keep shadows up vs TAing VT thief goblins @_@

Hojo/blind/para help a TON
Try that against something that actually hits fast and accurately
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By Midgardsormr.Frobeus 2010-03-21 16:52:16  
Fairy.Shiyo said:
I agree evasion gear is good for "OH ***" macros, but I just put -pdt in mine instead.


Go solo the Fowling Earring NM on Nin/Dnc with only your PDT set and no eva set and tell me how it works out for ya.
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