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By Carbuncle.Sevourn 2011-03-16 06:09:17  
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WASUP 3 hit that ***biotches

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By Phoenix.Neosutra 2011-03-16 13:04:13  
Quetzalcoatl.Darknano said:


Can also switch to Bullwhip and AF3 legs
That's what i use
Any better Sam's out there that thinks it's Wrong
PM me or comment so that I may correct my mistakes

This is esentially my Seigan TP build (use bullwhip + AF3+2 legs when Hasso is up, and swap sniper+2 for Mars's).

In abyssea ofcourse, have to be a bit more conservative with stp outside abyssea, which unfortunately where I use Sam the most (Blade Hi, Smite, and Ukko's rock too hard in abyssea for me to not use Mnk/Nin/War). Though Sam usually impresses me the most on older content.

It will be interesting to see what lvl 95 gear (with potentially a new STP trait or other TP bonus Abilities) will bring us. Though I'm a bit worried lvl 95/99 "ultimate weaponskills" may end up outclassing Fudo, making Masamune less desirable. (Just assuming we get new WSs at 95/99 and assuming those WSs will be better than lvl 85 ones..)
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By Bahamut.Vagrua 2011-05-27 00:51:10  
New build with 24% haste
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By Bahamut.Serj 2011-05-27 00:54:05  
Bahamut.Vagrua said:
New build with 24% haste

But it's not a masamune D=
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By Pandemonium.Ironguy 2011-05-27 01:13:57  
Bahamut.Vagrua said:
New build with 24% haste

enjoy weapon skilling in tp gear and doing 600 with gekko
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By Bismarck.Eburo 2011-05-27 01:18:07  
Pandemonium.Ironguy said:
Bahamut.Vagrua said:
New build with 24% haste

enjoy weapon skilling in tp gear and doing 600 with gekko

but ... 2011
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By Pandemonium.Ironguy 2011-05-27 01:42:15  
hard to fudo/kaiten with a kikugosaku
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2011-05-27 01:46:07  
Not if you dat swap
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By Bahamut.Vagrua 2011-05-27 01:47:28  
Pandemonium.Ironguy said:
hard to fudo/kaiten with a kikugosaku
Tachi: Rana + Double Attack/Triple Attack tp returns lets you use your WS gear. (For inside abyssea)

As for outside...you got me there.

Edit: Someone made a claim in the wiki talk page that Tachi: Rana gives 40% tp if all hits hit.

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Seems to ignore the common TP return of normal multi hit ws. TP return seems to get around 40% if all 3 hit. --Gojiso 05:13, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
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By Asura.Patriclis 2011-05-27 01:48:15  
quit SAM
level DRG
????
Profit
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By Pandemonium.Ironguy 2011-05-27 01:49:00  
Bahamut.Vagrua said:
Tachi: Rana + Double Attack/Triple Attack tp returns lets you use your WS gear. (For inside abyssea)

and inside abyssea you should be going war/sam anyways, slamming out 800 critical hits instead of 800 ranas


Asura.Patriclis said:
quit SAM
level DRG
????
Profit

news flash: drg sucks, level war
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By Asura.Dajociont 2011-05-27 01:51:55  
Pandemonium.Ironguy said:
Bahamut.Vagrua said:
Tachi: Rana + Double Attack/Triple Attack tp returns lets you use your WS gear. (For inside abyssea)

and inside abyssea you should be going war/sam anyways, slamming out 800 critical hits instead of 800 ranas


Asura.Patriclis said:
quit SAM
level DRG
????
Profit

news flash: drg sucks, level drk

i agree
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By Bahamut.Vagrua 2011-05-27 01:53:26  
Pandemonium.Ironguy said:
Bahamut.Vagrua said:
Tachi: Rana + Double Attack/Triple Attack tp returns lets you use your WS gear. (For inside abyssea)

and inside abyssea you should be going war/sam anyways, slamming out 800 critical hits instead of 800 ranas

Tachi: Rana does 2.5-4.2k damage inside abyssea when double/triple attack procs. Lowest I've seen it do is 1200ish.

Atmas: AoA, Alpha and Omega, VV
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By Pandemonium.Ironguy 2011-05-27 01:59:46  
GOSH, THAT MUST MEAN IT'S BETTER THAN TACHI: FUDO.

I WONDER WHY EVERYONE'S BEEN GOING AND BUILDING MASAMUNE THIS ENTIRE TIME WHEN AS IT TURNS OUT, KIKUGOSAKU WAS BETTER ALL ALONG.

hey your atmas don't consist of sanguine scythe or razed ruins

guess what that means
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By Bahamut.Serj 2011-05-27 02:12:07  
Pandemonium.Ironguy said:
GOSH, THAT MUST MEAN IT'S BETTER THAN TACHI: FUDO.

I WONDER WHY EVERYONE'S BEEN GOING AND BUILDING MASAMUNE THIS ENTIRE TIME WHEN AS IT TURNS OUT, KIKUGOSAKU WAS BETTER ALL ALONG.

hey your atmas don't consist of sanguine scythe or razed ruins

guess what that means

(You're on the wrong job!)

Do I get a cookie?
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By Pandemonium.Ironguy 2011-05-27 02:14:20  
that, and "YOU JUST LOST OUT ON A LARGE SUM OF WHITE DAMAGE OTHERWISE ACKNOWLEDGED AS DPS", were both valid answers
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By Bahamut.Serj 2011-05-27 02:22:05  
Pandemonium.Ironguy said:
that, and "YOU JUST LOST OUT ON A LARGE SUM OF WHITE DAMAGE OTHERWISE ACKNOWLEDGED AS DPS", were both valid answers

How much dps could you have using Kiku and a 4 hit? =X
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By Pandemonium.Ironguy 2011-05-27 03:09:40  
the ws:dps spread for the four-hit kikugosaku would probably look somewhere along the lines of 80:20, or perhaps even 85:15, but the problem there is that your damage sum as a whole is hindered obviously by supporting a horrible weapon skill so heavily (obviously)

meanwhile, war/sam rr/ss/apocalypse, i wouldn't be surprised if your ws:dps ratios were 65:35 at best in favor of the weapon skill damage, even if you were weapon skilling at 100% tp every single time (like any above-mediocre melee should/would be doing)

aftermath included via ukonvasara, i'd imagine it'd look to be around 50:50 nearly on most things inside abyssea, and that's pretty ridiculous considering it's a two-handed weapon and all

all i know is, even with my mere widowmaker currently, i can't help but facepalm anytime i run across a melee that isn't a warrior or a ninja, or even a monk
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By Bismarck.Eburo 2011-05-27 11:55:46  
Pandemonium.Ironguy said:
hard to fudo/kaiten with a kikugosaku

Rana + Jinpu. Game is hard.

Pandemonium.Ironguy said:
the ws:dps spread for the four-hit kikugosaku would probably look somewhere along the lines of 80:20, or perhaps even 85:15, but the problem there is that your damage sum as a whole is hindered obviously by supporting a horrible weapon skill so heavily (obviously)

meanwhile, war/sam rr/ss/apocalypse, i wouldn't be surprised if your ws:dps ratios were 65:35 at best in favor of the weapon skill damage, even if you were weapon skilling at 100% tp every single time (like any above-mediocre melee should/would be doing)

aftermath included via ukonvasara, i'd imagine it'd look to be around 50:50 nearly on most things inside abyssea, and that's pretty ridiculous considering it's a two-handed weapon and all

all i know is, even with my mere widowmaker currently, i can't help but facepalm anytime i run across a melee that isn't a warrior or a ninja, or even a monk

Rana is horrible?
Gekko is good?
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By Odin.Dirtyfinger 2011-05-27 12:11:41  
Man, I've missed SAM threads soooo much. Talking about NIN just isn't the same.
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By Bahamut.Zorander 2011-05-27 12:32:39  
Pandemonium.Ironguy said:
Bahamut.Vagrua said:
Tachi: Rana + Double Attack/Triple Attack tp returns lets you use your WS gear. (For inside abyssea)
and inside abyssea you should be going war/sam anyways, slamming out 800 critical hits instead of 800 ranas
Asura.Patriclis said:
quit SAM level DRG ???? Profit
news flash: drg sucks, level war
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By Lakshmi.Aurilius 2011-05-27 12:45:11  
It's "Oh no you di'int"

Get it right man!
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By Bahamut.Zorander 2011-05-27 12:49:05  
Lakshmi.Aurilius said:
It's "Oh no you di'int" Get it right man!
I didn't say the <black woman> did.
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By Bismarck.Eburo 2011-05-27 13:21:12  
She's in your LS though, so by FFXI standards you're wrong too. lol
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By Bahamut.Vagrua 2011-07-16 23:11:48  
Okay with the new Store TP update, I've come up with two new builds for yall Kikugosaku users to try out:
dependent on magical haste to cap you and

Both do not sacrifice as much as previously posted with the first build being able to utilize both the Pole Grip and Atheling mantle now.

I made the second build for those who can't obtain Usukane Sune-ate yet still could obtain the Ace's Leggings which are much easier to get.

You could also swap the moonshade earring for other earrings of your choice and the builds would not be affected.
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By Phoenix.Eckeward 2011-07-17 08:47:53  
I thought I'd try and make a set which squeezes as much TP as possible out of the available equipment:

Maximum TP Set

I make it a total of Store TP+118 (5/5 merits) which is 28.3 TP a swing with Kikugosaku which makes it a 4-hit build.

Now I'm not saying it's a good set^^ it's just a bit of fun, but it's nice to know that 4-hit is technically possible and you can WS in whatever you want. Might be something to aim for if you don't have a Masamune. Only Haste+17% and it's probably impossible to increase that above 18-19%.
But on the plus side, with Ikishoten merited 5/5, if you Hass-anshin after your WS you'll be back at 100TP again :D
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By Odin.Dirtyfinger 2011-07-17 09:16:41  
I'd rather TP in Dusk +1, Ace's Leggings and take a hit on WS DMG 'if' I was trying to do that.
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By Pandemonium.Ironguy 2011-07-17 09:16:50  
nabis 2.0
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By Phoenix.Fredjan 2011-07-17 09:51:13  
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By Entourage 2011-07-17 21:22:47  
Pandemonium.Ironguy said:
i can't help but facepalm anytime i run across a melee that isn't a warrior or a ninja, or even a monk

that sounded inappropriately condescending. lol.
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