Jishnu's Radiance Build

Assuming Athos's Tabard is at least 4% crit dmg, and it should be at least since the legs themselves are 4%, then yes with the 2% crit rate applied, based on the set bonus, it would outperform Loki's. (Loki's is already out-performed by Osode w/3% crit rate) Whether or not Tabard out-performs the aug'd Osode is more what I wanted to find out; I'd like to say it's a no-brainer, but nothing in FFXI ever is.

As for AF3 body, I'm not sure losing either crit hit/crit dmg and a decent amount of dex is worth it but I guess anything is possible. I'll pull some numbers together over the next couple days, T5+ VW only of course.

If each piece of the Athos's give an additional crit rate, then you would want to have the body/hands/feet. The set together would give you the 2% crit rate that Kacura Leggings +1 gives and also an additional 4 DEX. It would get rid of the STR (which doesn't help JR at all), and be a minimal increase for what you have.

Personally i use Anwig Salade for inside Abyssea on my JR build with DEX/AGI+4, crit hit dmg. +2%, WS dmg. +2%. As for outside abyssea you can stick with Aias Bonnet as the numbers will be a lot closer without the additional buffs/atma's.

Athos's Gloves however may end up hurting your damage if used on a day corresponding to thunder elemental weakness etc. But it's unknown atm so we will have to wait and see what kind of data we get out of them.

Yeah, had my math screwed up, basing it off the 3 pieces and forgot I had swapped to Kacura +1; my mistake.


Not true; since rng uses fSTR2, it has a greater effect than you would think. This is not to say to stack STR over DEX, but point of diminishing returns, etc. Hence why most wear AF3+2 hands.


Looking like thunder/lightning bolts =/= being thunder/lightning bolts. There's nothing elemental about Jishnu's, so I'm not sure if you were referring to something else?

How can you play ranger and not know how much STR affects ranged attacks...? It's like the single most important stat to ranger.

Assuming that your fSTR2 is not capped, STR averages out to about a 60% modifier on any ranged weapon skill. Thus, STR is actually just as effective as DEX in increasing jishnu's damage (however DEX also increase crit rate obviously).

Anyway, should be using a gun:

This is what I'm using atm.

Much work to be done here (+1 rings, light gorget, Ose. head), but like most I am excited about the Athos gear. Looks like it will make for a nice build for Jishnu's.

Hunter's Hands +1 (af1+1) dex+6 agi+6 are better then af3+2 or skill is better then direct modifier?

fSTR2 is almost the same as DEX mod in term of raising base damage (if you're to express it in term of modifier, it's 59% STR)
except STR gives you a bit of ratk and DEX helps you get the maximum 15% crit rate from dDEX.
So no, Sylvan Glvltte. +1/ +2 is definitely better unless that 6 DEX are the last DEX to cover dDEX crit rate.

So going by what Vrytreya just wrote, Aias Bonnet is currently the best headpiece for Jishnu?

Edit: And Loki's > Toci's? lol sorry I'm a noob.

The description on Athos's gloves is misleading, it's dependent on the weaponskill's skillchain properties rather than its physical or magical nature. This leads to weirdness such as Wildfire not getting boosted on Firesday, but there you go.

Unlike Mekira-oto (+1), T3 properties do not appear to be decomposed into their component elements for the purposes of the fTP bonus. This is important to keep in mind for Jishnu's Radiance since the fTP bonus is thus only applied on two days rather than four (no wind/thundersday bonus, just fires/lightsday).

It's a good question. I'm not really sure how effective the "increases critical hit damage" is on Loki, but I think it's best to use that and use STR elsewhere in your build. So, my opinion is:

Athos > Loki > Toci for Jishnu's Radiance.

Kirin's Osode with 3% crit rate > all those.

Not too sure about Athos's vs Loki's. If there's a difference, it's minimal.
Loki's crit damage boost is 5% IIRC;
And since someone said Athos's tabard + tights give 9% crit dmg boost, then by knowing Athos's tight crit dmg boost is 4%, we deduce Athos's tabard crit dmg boost is 5%. The same boost like Loki's kaftan.

Now the comparison is reduced to STP+7 (when it matters), ratk+7 vs 2 base damage (from 4 extra DEX) and 2% crit rate, assuming every extra piece of Athos's you're wearing add 2% crit rate after the first pair.
If your ratk is 700 before any scalable boost (berserk, velocity shot), 7 ratk is 1% damage boost.

Taking a wide range, Your Jishnu's base damage should be around 200-250 base damage, making 2 base damage increase is 1% or less.

Now it's just a matter of how 2% crit rate boost your average damage.
Your base crit rate at 100% TP and no Champion's tonic in VWNM or atma in abyssea should be at 25%(base+dDEX+merit)+15%(assumption of base crit at 100TP)+2%(kacura's leggings+1 or athos's boots)+4%(athos's gloves + athos's tights) and optionally a Rancor mantle(+5%)
will net you 46~51% base crit rate. That 2% crit rate will become 1.48/1.46(1.32%) ~ 1.53/1.51(1.37%) damage increase.

If there's any difference, it's too small that no one should bother knowing which one is better

P.S. : What a waste of time writing all of those >.>

very soon to have a 85 gandiva, still reading up on making a WS set, i was just wondering though, does the rancor collar's crit rate effect ranged attacks? i know it seems pretty dumb to ask but in a lot of these builds i dont see people using it and i know jupiters staff doesnt give crit %, or is it just that the ire +1 is so much better for damage?

The consideration for not using rancor collar is that elemental gorget affects the fTP for all 3 hits.
You can consider using rancor mantle, however.

got JR now.... its amazing, so i was wondering since light gorget is better neck piece, the light belt must be very good too right? sadly iv tried to understand the fTP but its a bit beyond my understanding still, currently im using a 6 DEX 6 STR belt, is that better?

The effects of the light belt and gorget stack and apply to all 3 hits. It would be better to do that for Jishnu's Radiance.

Any confirmation on 3% crit hit rate on Osode? Most I've seen and heard is 2%.

I've been wondering how Rancor mantle compares to Terebellum for WS. 20 ranged attack vs 5% crit rate.

They most certainly exist, saw one 2 days ago

seriously...time to start buying byakko seals/scraps again

In that set you're getting the 3% crit from combining athos body and gloves.

Augmented Osode:
10 STR

compared with

Athos's Tabard:
5 DEX
5 AGI
5% crit dmg

Which would outperform the other?

Osode.

Why AGI matters?

Subtle Blow, duh. Naw idk, no reason i guess. I guess i'll have to keep an eye out for scraps now. Thanks.

Noticing none of these sets are using Moonshade Earring. Is that not a good option for JR? I'd imagine ~2% crit hit rate would have some value for a multi-hit crit WS.

fSTR2

Athos' is fine, but since you can't crit all the time, every time, the 10STR will prove more consistent.

Quick question, should my JR's be doing 1k average(kaggen/pil) or am I really sucking?
CORs with Wildefire seem to be absolutely tearing the floor with me lol.

Did you eat food? Stalwart? Have Berserk active?

I use RCBs, have all temps unlocked - ride stalwarts pretty much 100% of the time providing procs aren't being stupid.
My 1ks are with stalwarts and full buffs as /sam.



my JR set up is

I only have athos head. No toci's. Have Loki's but I get better dmg from JR with +2 body for some reason.

I have access to a lot of HQ str gear, but have been using this setup based on other's advice.

Appreciate feedback and advice.

Hmmm...
I don't see what's wrong, really. Try /WAR I guess.. and make sure the mage keep Dia II on it.
Our setup differs a bit, but it shouldn't make that much difference.