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By Cerberus.Taint 2011-09-30 08:23:25  
Odin.Hitoseijuro said: »
Unkai is 5% zanshin no? that equals 1.25% nabis-zanshin, which is really only saving you 2 swings, while atheling is 3% DA which in turn is 3 swings. However with enough zanshin in gear, you could get 2% nabis-zanshin return. Now while they do save round or 2, the 3% DA on atheling is also 3 hits that can have aftermath proc on it, while an extra hit from nabis-zanshin is only 1 or 2 hits max for aftermath. Theyre very close though.


Unkai is 10% zanshin. (he was referring to the body.)



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By Atis 2011-09-30 08:29:27  
so basically is a 6hit+haste cap better than a 5hit without haste cap?
(speaking as a masamune user)
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By Odin.Hitoseijuro 2011-09-30 08:30:57  
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Odin.Hitoseijuro said: »
Unkai is 5% zanshin no? that equals 1.25% nabis-zanshin, which is really only saving you 2 swings, while atheling is 3% DA which in turn is 3 swings. However with enough zanshin in gear, you could get 2% nabis-zanshin return. Now while they do save round or 2, the 3% DA on atheling is also 3 hits that can have aftermath proc on it, while an extra hit from nabis-zanshin is only 1 or 2 hits max for aftermath. Theyre very close though.
Unkai is 10% zanshin. (he was referring to the body.)
He was talking about mantle, hence Atheling comparision.

Eikechi said:
And then I have another question for you Hito... Aethling? I thought it was determined Unkai was just as good if not better?




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Played with SAM all day yesterday during VW. This set is hard to beat.
True, but so is:
+3% faster swings
+5%crit or +2% quad attack
+11-16accuracy more
+55attack more
+8fstr more

However, like I said if your situation or playing style suits a 5hit build go for it. My only notes where to optimalize the current 6hit build for outside higher mobs.
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By Ragnarok.Nemesio 2011-09-30 08:50:50  
Assuming atmacite of latitude as one of my atmas allow me to use goading belt, and pole grip rather then bullwhip and rose? Not only does latitude offer 2% haste but also tp bonus +50 which I can imagine would be a bigger boost to WS then anything else.
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By Cerberus.Taint 2011-09-30 09:37:28  
Odin.Hitoseijuro said: »
Cerberus.Taint said: »
Odin.Hitoseijuro said: »
Unkai is 5% zanshin no? that equals 1.25% nabis-zanshin, which is really only saving you 2 swings, while atheling is 3% DA which in turn is 3 swings. However with enough zanshin in gear, you could get 2% nabis-zanshin return. Now while they do save round or 2, the 3% DA on atheling is also 3 hits that can have aftermath proc on it, while an extra hit from nabis-zanshin is only 1 or 2 hits max for aftermath. Theyre very close though.
Unkai is 10% zanshin. (he was referring to the body.)
He was talking about mantle, hence Atheling comparision.
Eikechi said:
And then I have another question for you Hito... Aethling? I thought it was determined Unkai was just as good if not better?
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Played with SAM all day yesterday during VW. This set is hard to beat.
True, but so is: +3% faster swings +5%crit or +2% quad attack +11-16accuracy more +55attack more +8fstr more However, like I said if your situation or playing style suits a 5hit build go for it. My only notes where to optimalize the current 6hit build for outside higher mobs.


Except outside on harder mobs you won't be rocking SB-15 or +pdt10 gear. (probably aren't full time meleeing either) I was a huge promoter of a 6hit masa build at the 90 cap, but the gear has changed and the sacrafices to 5hit now are minimal. SAMs damage distribution is heavily favored towards WS frequency.
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By Lakshmi.Rearden 2011-09-30 10:04:19  
Cerberus.Taint said: »
Odin.Hitoseijuro said: »
Unkai is 5% zanshin no? that equals 1.25% nabis-zanshin, which is really only saving you 2 swings, while atheling is 3% DA which in turn is 3 swings. However with enough zanshin in gear, you could get 2% nabis-zanshin return. Now while they do save round or 2, the 3% DA on atheling is also 3 hits that can have aftermath proc on it, while an extra hit from nabis-zanshin is only 1 or 2 hits max for aftermath. Theyre very close though.


Unkai is 10% zanshin. (he was referring to the body.)



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By Odin.Hitoseijuro 2011-09-30 10:20:20  
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Except outside on harder mobs you won't be rocking SB-15 or +pdt10 gear. (probably aren't full time meleeing either) I was a huge promoter of a 6hit masa build at the 90 cap, but the gear has changed and the sacrafices to 5hit now are minimal. SAMs damage distribution is heavily favored towards WS frequency.
If damage taken +10 is an issue on the mob youre on, than Im sure youll be rocking pdt/mdt sets for said mob, favoring a 6hit more since you can 6hit with both sets unlike 5hit.

I can agree -15 SB can be a lot, swap to unkai body set again and youll be fine.

Im not saying 6hit >5hit always, as in your situation 5hit benefits you more, because youve already killed all your melee damage going with /thf and thus with your group/setup more than anything your ws is all youre concentrating on thus focusing your build on just getting your ws in is what your 5hit is accomplishing.
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By Bismarck.Xzeikx 2011-09-30 10:29:44  
Let's all just agree to be realistic and name a mob that SAM is actually used on these days :( (XP doesnt count)

My Masamune hasnt seen daylight in a good 6 months sadly
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By Ragnarok.Nemesio 2011-09-30 10:43:21  
Bismarck.Xzeikx said: »
Let's all just agree to be realistic and name a mob that SAM is actually used on these days :( (XP doesnt count)

My Masamune hasnt seen daylight in a good 6 months sadly
Any vw NM.
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By Bismarck.Xzeikx 2011-09-30 10:48:18  
Ragnarok.Nemesio said: »
Bismarck.Xzeikx said: »
Let's all just agree to be realistic and name a mob that SAM is actually used on these days :( (XP doesnt count)

My Masamune hasnt seen daylight in a good 6 months sadly
Any vw NM.

take a nin they can do nearly everything -- thats what we do anyways
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By Ragnarok.Nemesio 2011-09-30 11:34:46  
Bismarck.Xzeikx said: »
Ragnarok.Nemesio said: »
Bismarck.Xzeikx said: »
Let's all just agree to be realistic and name a mob that SAM is actually used on these days :( (XP doesnt count)

My Masamune hasnt seen daylight in a good 6 months sadly
Any vw NM.

take a nin they can do nearly everything -- thats what we do anyways
So while your NIN focuses on procing, I'll worry about killing it on my SAM.
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By Bismarck.Xzeikx 2011-09-30 11:38:29  
Ragnarok.Nemesio said: »
Bismarck.Xzeikx said: »
Ragnarok.Nemesio said: »
Bismarck.Xzeikx said: »
Let's all just agree to be realistic and name a mob that SAM is actually used on these days :( (XP doesnt count)

My Masamune hasnt seen daylight in a good 6 months sadly
Any vw NM.

take a nin they can do nearly everything -- thats what we do anyways
So while your NIN focuses on procing, I'll worry about killing it on my SAM.

and mass dying enjoy
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By Ragnarok.Nemesio 2011-09-30 11:53:08  
Bismarck.Xzeikx said: »
Ragnarok.Nemesio said: »
Bismarck.Xzeikx said: »
Ragnarok.Nemesio said: »
Bismarck.Xzeikx said: »
Let's all just agree to be realistic and name a mob that SAM is actually used on these days :( (XP doesnt count)

My Masamune hasnt seen daylight in a good 6 months sadly
Any vw NM.

take a nin they can do nearly everything -- thats what we do anyways
So while your NIN focuses on procing, I'll worry about killing it on my SAM.

and mass dying enjoy
I find it hard to believe you are actually being serious. So I'll just say good day.
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By Cerberus.Taint 2011-09-30 11:59:16  
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Cerberus.Taint said: »
Except outside on harder mobs you won't be rocking SB-15 or +pdt10 gear. (probably aren't full time meleeing either) I was a huge promoter of a 6hit masa build at the 90 cap, but the gear has changed and the sacrafices to 5hit now are minimal. SAMs damage distribution is heavily favored towards WS frequency.
If damage taken +10 is an issue on the mob youre on, than Im sure youll be rocking pdt/mdt sets for said mob, favoring a 6hit more since you can 6hit with both sets unlike 5hit. I can agree -15 SB can be a lot, swap to unkai body set again and youll be fine. Im not saying 6hit >5hit always, as in your situation 5hit benefits you more, because youve already killed all your melee damage going with /thf and thus with your group/setup more than anything your ws is all youre concentrating on thus focusing your build on just getting your ws in is what your 5hit is accomplishing.


Actually I was /WAR the whole time. Nobody is selfish enough to TP in Ace's body on a VW mob and once you swap on Unkai body why not just use my build?
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By Bismarck.Xzeikx 2011-09-30 12:03:33  
How many people actually have Ace's body already?
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By Cerberus.Taint 2011-09-30 12:49:36  
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How many people actually have Ace's body already?


Lots.....of JPs
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By Ragnarok.Castellano 2011-09-30 18:21:50  
any thoughts on incorporating that 1% grip to cap out haste?
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By Ramuh.Austar 2011-09-30 18:39:48  
Cerberus.Taint said: »
Odin.Hitoseijuro said: »
Cerberus.Taint said: »
Except outside on harder mobs you won't be rocking SB-15 or +pdt10 gear. (probably aren't full time meleeing either) I was a huge promoter of a 6hit masa build at the 90 cap, but the gear has changed and the sacrafices to 5hit now are minimal. SAMs damage distribution is heavily favored towards WS frequency.
If damage taken +10 is an issue on the mob youre on, than Im sure youll be rocking pdt/mdt sets for said mob, favoring a 6hit more since you can 6hit with both sets unlike 5hit. I can agree -15 SB can be a lot, swap to unkai body set again and youll be fine. Im not saying 6hit >5hit always, as in your situation 5hit benefits you more, because youve already killed all your melee damage going with /thf and thus with your group/setup more than anything your ws is all youre concentrating on thus focusing your build on just getting your ws in is what your 5hit is accomplishing.

Actually I was /WAR the whole time. Nobody is selfish enough to TP in Ace's body on a VW mob and once you swap on Unkai body why not just use my build?

I'm that selfish.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2011-09-30 18:43:46  
Barbarian Mittens + Sharpeye Mantle + Timarli Dastanas + Veloce Zuchetto + Calmecac Subligar + Ganesha's Mala + Ace's Mail + Arbuda Grip is the sexiest, most effective TP setup for any job. Good luck my friends.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-09-30 18:46:23  
Bismarck.Xzeikx said: »
How many people actually have Ace's body already?
It's a fairly common drop from Uptala, so it's not as unreasonable to build with as say, Fazheluo Radiant Mail.
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By Lakshmi.Rearden 2011-09-30 18:48:22  
I think Renzy said they got 12 in 4 pops
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By Ramuh.Austar 2011-09-30 18:48:22  
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: »
Bismarck.Xzeikx said: »
How many people actually have Ace's body already?
It's a fairly common drop from Uptala, so it's not as unreasonable to build with as say, Fazheluo Radiant Mail.
Ace's is best fudo piece at the moment, yes?
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2011-09-30 18:50:35  
Ramuh.Austar said: »
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: »
Bismarck.Xzeikx said: »
How many people actually have Ace's body already?
It's a fairly common drop from Uptala, so it's not as unreasonable to build with as say, Fazheluo Radiant Mail.
Ace's is best fudo piece at the moment, yes?

Yes.
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By Sylph.Knala 2011-09-30 19:43:02  
if you were wanting to increase over all attack speed for a 6 hit type build wouldn't a sword strap be better?
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-09-30 19:51:45  
Lakshmi.Rearden said: »
I think Renzy said they got 12 in 4 pops
Yeah, and Ironguy got 7 in 3 pops yesterday.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Dawnn 2011-10-02 19:04:54  
Question about Konzen-ittai here, i'm not very good with words so ill try to describe this best i can

my situation here is, i am sam/thf fighting briareus

when i solo skillchain (without konzen), the skillchain will most always do more damage than the closing weaponskill

so rana 1.7k -> fudo 2k -> darkness 2.1k~

yeah yeah completely normal, but when i use konzen and close light from sneak attack + fudo, light will always do around 2~k range

so Fudo 4k -> light 2k

it seems as if there is a cap on konzen ittai's skillchain damage because i have been here for almost a full 50~ helms briareus run. I have yet to see it's skillchain damage do more

using RR/VV/Sanguine

tl;dr
with sneak attack + fudo, konzen ittai seems to do less than half damage of the closing weaponskill.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Killza 2011-10-02 19:23:04  
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Question about Konzen-ittai here, i'm not very good with words so ill try to describe this best i can

my situation here is, i am sam/thf fighting briareus

when i solo skillchain (without konzen), the skillchain will most always do more damage than the closing weaponskill

so rana 1.7k -> fudo 2k -> darkness 2.1k~

yeah yeah completely normal, but when i use konzen and close light from sneak attack + fudo, light will always do around 2~k range

so Fudo 4k -> light 2k

it seems as if there is a cap on konzen ittai's skillchain damage because i have been here for almost a full 50~ helms briareus run. I have yet to see it's skillchain damage do more

using RR/VV/Sanguine

tl;dr
with sneak attack + fudo, konzen ittai seems to do less than half damage of the closing weaponskill.
Linked Skillchains
Maximum for a level 3, 2 weaponskill skillchain (with konzen + fudo) is 100% of the closing weaponskill. While, a level 3, 3 weaponskill skillchain (konzen + rana + fudo) is 150%. The skillchain can also be resisted to further alter those numbers.
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By Lakshmi.Rearden 2011-10-02 19:55:41  
Gigas are thunder.

edit: actually that doesn't explain anything because they're ice too
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By Quetzalcoatl.Dawnn 2011-10-02 20:53:03  
Quetzalcoatl.Killza said: »
Quetzalcoatl.Dawnn said: »
Question about Konzen-ittai here, i'm not very good with words so ill try to describe this best i can

my situation here is, i am sam/thf fighting briareus

when i solo skillchain (without konzen), the skillchain will most always do more damage than the closing weaponskill

so rana 1.7k -> fudo 2k -> darkness 2.1k~

yeah yeah completely normal, but when i use konzen and close light from sneak attack + fudo, light will always do around 2~k range

so Fudo 4k -> light 2k

it seems as if there is a cap on konzen ittai's skillchain damage because i have been here for almost a full 50~ helms briareus run. I have yet to see it's skillchain damage do more

using RR/VV/Sanguine

tl;dr
with sneak attack + fudo, konzen ittai seems to do less than half damage of the closing weaponskill.
Linked Skillchains
Maximum for a level 3, 2 weaponskill skillchain (with konzen + fudo) is 100% of the closing weaponskill. While, a level 3, 3 weaponskill skillchain (konzen + rana + fudo) is 150%. The skillchain can also be resisted to further alter those numbers.

your not understanding what im trying to say
yes the maximum for a level 3 skillchain is 100% of the closing weaponskill, however since samurai has skillchain bonus traits it often does more than the closing weaponskill

What im experiencing is the light skillchain is dealing less than half of the closing weaponskill, i dont know if this is due to razed ruins + sanguine scythe or sneak attack, or if it is a konzen nerf

edit: i doubt its resists occuring because i've been out here trying it for quite some time and i have never seen it exceed the closing weaponskill

edit #2: gonna start keeping track of my weaponskill numbers and light numbers and post them tonight
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By Quetzalcoatl.Killza 2011-10-02 21:00:19  
I understand what you're saying. Is it a constant thing, or just every so often you will see a 2k? Resists go in 1/2, 1/4, 1/8, 1/16, so it would make sense that it would be roughly 2k if fudo did 4k. However, if KI -> Fudo does a 2k skillchain while fudo does 4k every time it's safe to say it's just KI "nerf".