Ninja can offhand Kujaku+1, which is OAT and additional effect haste.
I don't know why I brainfarted and forgot that NIN can also use Blurred Knife +1. Same OAT and Haste, lower delay. It would make better sense if you play multiple jobs that can use the knife to just use that as your "I need haste" weapon, instead of carrying multiple blurred weapons across jobs (1 job weapon vs 8 non-haste jobs' weapon). The knife is also generally cheaper than Kujaku
I bought the katana way back because its a cool lockstyle and I just like using Katanas over anything else personally. But from a minimalist perspective (and to answer the guy's question), if you're ever in an unbuffed scenario, the haste proc is all that matters at that point. The dagger works just as fine. I happened to simply forget NIN could use it because I sold mine so long ago from COR. I used it on BST pre-Ridill and Kraken Club, but haven't considered it since that from a long time ago.
The point I was making is you don't ever need to be in a haste-less scenario if you just bring the blurred weapon. It's probably going to be your best offhand in a low-buff scenario anyways with the OAT. Not that I think that scenario is ever going to be super common to begin with (maybe soloing an Omen boss and your trusts die and you can't resummon the haster, even thats rare)
I couldn't justify using Malignance body for Shun so I use Empyrean+3. Don't see any reason why Malignance wins in that set for Shun besides pure Dex, unless I'm completely blind. Empyrean body smokes it in str, accuracy and attack. Ditto for the Empyrean hands. Maybe I'm missing something, but that was one of the sets that slightly bothered me because I couldn't understand the context.
That's one of the reasons why I don't take those guides as pure gospel (and neither should you). They take into account just averages and best possible damage and nothing else besides a baseline level of attack, which isn't always the case. You still have to compare options
High buff makes sense for malignance, since shun at 2k is already double your atk, suppose same could apply at mid buff if you're on the higher end of mid buff
Yeah I guess with whatever trust buffs the mid buff set uses plus mpaca/heishi/moonshade, says "you already cap attack with an extra 100%, use Malignance". I could see the reasoning there. Stuff like that didn't always make sense for me because it assumes that mid buff will cap attack. In something like Limbus where Sylvie solo won't frailty or fury, that's not a given
I would like to point out one thing that is relevant for nin in this set and might not be picked up at first glance. It has over 90 evasion more than Malignance (This is taking into calculation slightly higher agi on Malignance), while also having much higher DEF and VIT, so it's by far better evasion/DT gear for NIN.
NIN has similar evasion on it's AF+4, but AF+4 lacks 30%DT and has much less HP and DEF too.
I don't currently grind Limbus enough to care a whole ton, but it's kind of a Malignance-like set in some respects and definitely has some potential to be an upgrade if you use Malignance on NIN (I sure do). I dunno that I'll ever want to augment this stuff enough to make it that worth my while for purely offensive-focused purposes, but I could see myself using the base pieces for tanking when I care about evasion.
Defensively: Revelation is really good and all of the defensive perks come from its base stats. DT- is practically the same as Malignance (DT-30% for 5/5 set compared to Malignance DT-31%, but Revelation gets substantially more DEF, HP, VIT, Evasion, and MBD. Malignance's one notable advantage is that it does still have better Magic Evasion.
On offense: Malignance's advantage is that it has slightly more STP per piece. +2 STP more on head/legs, +3 on body, +4 on legs - and then the one big exception of Malignance Gloves (STP+12) just blowing away Revelation Gauntlets (STP+4). So if you do want a STP option, Revelation is a pretty good alternative when you consider all of the perks.
As compared to Malignance, most other offensive stats strongly favor Revelation and at least once you start augmenting and getting some DA on there giving up a small bit of STP is probably not a bad trade for TP purposes. Revelation has:
- Significant crit rate (TBH, I'm more interested in that for WAR empy builds than for NIN, but it's welcome anyway)
- High STR (waaaaaaay higher than Malignance)
- Really good attack (+42 base, +1 per augment rank)
- Significant DA from second augment slot, with the major caveat that ranking this armor up will be a pain.
- Strong base Acc+42 per piece, with +1 more each augment rank.
- I'm sort of curious about whether augment gives RANGED accuracy as well as the listed Acc/Macc, but Racc+42 per piece base stats is solid for Daken purposes.
All that said, Kendatsuba and Mpaca also exist for good multi-attack focused armor. I still default to Kendatsuba for TP when I don't feel I need the DT of Malignance (like, if shadows make me safe enough).
Revelation is also the maybe the most practical PDL gear for NIN, with the most available PDL. Malignance does have PDL too, but that's often inaccessible to NIN especially due to being on armor that has ZERO Atk and weak STR (so even with buffs, Chaos Roll and Indi-Fury are percentage based attack increase, and x% of zero is...). Big caveat though, that PDL is the 4th augment slot and will be a major grind.
Defensively: Revelation is really good and all of the defensive perks come from its base stats. DT- is practically the same as Malignance (DT-30% for 5/5 set compared to Malignance DT-31%, but Revelation gets substantially more DEF, HP, VIT, Evasion, and MBD. Malignance's one notable advantage is that it does still have better Magic Evasion.
192 magic evasion more is not just notable advantage. Thats huge gap. Malignance is know from being very good defensively and offensively and it's main defensive perk is highest meva in game (beside few mage empy +3 pieces and now Trust set). Revelation having very low meva can't be called "like Malignance". Having just DT is not like Malignance.
- I'm sort of curious about whether augment gives RANGED accuracy as well as the listed Acc/Macc, but Racc+42 per piece base stats is solid for Daken purposes.
Can confirm that the augments also contain Ranged Accuracy in the same slot as Accuracy and Magic Accuracy, at least for Perfection legs.
Revelation having very low meva can't be called "like Malignance". Having just DT is not like Malignance.
What I actually said, and the full quote is important, is "kind of a Malignance-like set in some respects" And it is.
Malignance is a set designed as good TP gear featuring STP and high accuracy (and some PDL+), but ALSO strong defensive stats. Particularly excellent magic evasion paired with DT-, and also used to be among the best evasion options.
Revelation is a set designed as good TP gear featuring STP and high accuracy (and some PDL+ and DA from augments), but ALSO strong defensive stats. Particularly excellent physical evasion paired with DT-, and also notably strong DEF HP and MDB.
I also explicitly noted that Malignance has a notable Magic Evasion advantage. But that's not always what you care as much about on NIN. If I'm tank/DDing a mob that only uses threatening physical moves, I'd prefer better eva and def over magic evasion that isn't benefitting me. If something where the major threat is shadow-wiping AoE magic attacks? OK, Malignance might be my preference there.
Revelation having very low meva can't be called "like Malignance". Having just DT is not like Malignance.
What I actually said, and the full quote is important, is "kind of a Malignance-like set in some respects" And it is.
Malignance is a set designed as good TP gear featuring STP and high accuracy (and some PDL+), but ALSO strong defensive stats. Particularly excellent magic evasion paired with DT-, and also used to be among the best evasion options.
Revelation is a set designed as good TP gear featuring STP and high accuracy (and some PDL+ and DA from augments), but ALSO strong defensive stats. Particularly excellent physical evasion paired with DT-, and also notably strong DEF HP and MDB.
I also explicitly noted that Malignance has a notable Magic Evasion advantage. But that's not always what you care as much about on NIN. If I'm tank/DDing a mob that only uses threatening physical moves, I'd prefer better eva and def over magic evasion that isn't benefitting me. If something where the major threat is shadow-wiping AoE magic attacks? OK, Malignance might be my preference there.
Sure, my point is Malignance has it all, meaning you don't have to choose, you dont have to swap. It's a perfect all-in-one TP set. Revelation has critical hole (meva) that you need to be aware of and it limits it's usage in many fights.
I understand the points Capuchin is making, but at the end of the day most players (most, not all) also have other realistical aspects they need to consider:
1) The amount of money, time and grind this set requires
2) The limited inventory space
Unless you have like 4-5 jobs only, you need to draw a line somewhere, you can't keep 400 items for a single job, you get to a point where you need to start accepting compromises.
Also, the fact that after all that effort the Revelation is better than malignance in multiple aspects, but sadly not in a couple of critical ones... leaves a sour taste in your mouth.
I dunno, that's how I feel at least.
It's a wonderful set but yeah, very strong sour taste in the back of my mouth alas.
Revelation is a very interesting option for BRD compared to NIN, imho. If not the whole set at least a few pieces.
But yeah, I guess a lot of people would reply with "lolDDbrd".
