Dubont said:
didnt they gimp the range automation though...i remember my damage going from OMFG! to wtf....
Thought that was a glitch from right after acp that they had to fix.
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Thought that was a glitch from right after acp that they had to fix. Enternius said: PUP is one of the most expensive jobs to play well, because you really need stuff like Toreador'sx2, Peacock Charm etc in order to hit with C- skill at 75. Plus some of the better attachments run for 300k+ each. So to answer your question, yes, good PUPs are rare. Turbocharger, Dynamo, among others :( 800k for one of those things too. pup is a expensive job but when u got all attachment & start meriting fairly cheap running costs.
Solo on ep/dc mobs /dnc & storm head/frame with optimiation merit pawn the ***out of anything. If you got pup75 try get the mythic ws stringing pummel asap its a awesome ws & better than any other & more consistant dmg. if doing tough+ /nin way better with storm head/frame. or /sch if using the blm frame, nuke+deactivate strat. whm frame can be useful in party situation, but when soloing storm head/frame will increae your dmg a lot, so no need out of party situation to use this frame. /WAR or GTFO
cause if you're soloing, you should always do Soul Soother and if you're in a party chances are you're gonna gonna be getting hate, that is unless you have Hades Sainti and can bust out Stringing Pummel. In those cases I would do /NIN PUPs that do /DNC make me sad
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Gib said: /WAR or GTFO cause if you're soloing, you should always do Soul Soother and if you're in a party chances are you're gonna gonna be getting hate, that is unless you have Hades Sainti and can bust out Stringing Pummel. In those cases I would do /NIN PUPs that do /DNC make me sad Pups that /dnc in pts make me sad. Pups that /whm in pts make me sadder. With the right gear though...(See: Usukane set), /drg may be better then /war due to the haste gear, jumps, and Acc bonus. I havnt done parses as im 2/3 on 3 pieces, let alone dont know any 5/5 usu pups on cerb...but in my head it sounds like a possibility. I have seen a 5/5 Usu pup on remora....never ptyd with him but from what i hear hes a beast. He also subs drg and uses Vbelt/wyvern earring and has the haste attachment for his pup. All this if from what i have heard of course.
I know there are a few on cerb, but I dont know who they are. I'd love to test it out though. My pup is crying in the corner to get some usu.
I hate bard. QQ I thought /War would be best because of Double Attack. I'd imagine Pup would have to use sushi on any endgame mobs because of that C+ Hand-2-Hand skill, so I wouldn't think /Drg Acc would matter. Merely speculation, I don't have Pup leveled.
Haseyo said: I thought /War would be best because of Double Attack. I'd imagine Pup would have to use sushi on any endgame mobs because of that C+ Hand-2-Hand skill, so I wouldn't think /Drg Acc would matter. Merely speculation, I don't have Pup leveled. Having pup leveled, Maranara pizza +1 is a godsend for meriting. Makes having /drg moreso useful. Again though, I wouldnt advise /drg unless you have a good deal of +acc gear, and the attack power to back it up. As far as endgame scene, there is a bunch we can do, but fewer we're good at. (Rather, theres jobs better.) For most HNMs, we dont attack, we're *usually* /whm with either Sharpshot or Spiritweaver making up our damage. Dubont said: I have seen a 5/5 Usu pup on remora....never ptyd with him but from what i hear hes a beast. He also subs drg and uses Vbelt/wyvern earring and has the haste attachment for his pup. All this if from what i have heard of course. Moron
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Abrupt said: Enternius said: You're thinking of Armor Piercer. A good PUP can do 1.5k or so, enough to parse on par with some DDs. Actually, they outparse other jobs on a regular basis - just like DRG has for a long time. SAMs in team will be very proud of their 1.5k+ weapon skills and chains, and they'll be 20% of the team damage... with the PUP at 31%. When you get down to it, the PUP master and the puppet itself will never come close to touching most job's damage by themselves, but when combined, they tend to simply out DD other jobs, at all levels. Parse a good PUP, and see first hand. In addition because their damage is split almost exactly 50/50 in most situations, they can go completely all out 100% of the time, and very rarely draw aggro - the SAM will have to sub NIN in many situations just to duck those extra hits, and the PUP in the same situation will just Berserk right on with /WAR, because he's just never going to get aggro. 
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War is good for attack bonus but can't hit for ***. When I sub mnk dodge, counter-stance, and focus pwns War.
Blazza said: Best sub for pup is /blm. That way you can cast warp and change to a better job. I hear pups can deal some dmg... but this was funny.
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An excellent PUP to ask is Midnightmemory, best PUP in all of Garuda server I swear. Give him a PM I'm sure he'll help out!
Drue said: War is good for attack bonus but can't hit for ***. When I sub mnk dodge, counter-stance, and focus pwns War. Show me some numbers vs a /war
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Drue said: War is good for attack bonus but can't hit for ***. When I sub mnk dodge, counter-stance, and focus pwns War. If you're relying on 20 accuracy, 40% of the time, you do realize that /drg's 10 accuracy bonus will be better overall, right? Puppetmasters, don't listen to this guy. If you value your melee, then cool. Just don't expect it to be the reason you're worthwhile in any sort of endgame. Use different subjobs appropriately, in different situations. Use whatever you like while soloing. But in my party, never, ever, ever sub monk above 50. I can understand before then, sure.... But if you need the accuracy on top of food, /drg. If you don't, /war. Period. Jiko said: Drue said: War is good for attack bonus but can't hit for ***. When I sub mnk dodge, counter-stance, and focus pwns War. Show me some numbers vs a /war On top of allllll that, Counterstance is 45 Bro, didn't know lvl cap went up to 90. Edit** Oh, Vincevalentine said: Drue said: War is good for attack bonus but can't hit for ***. When I sub mnk dodge, counter-stance, and focus pwns War. If you're relying on 20 accuracy, 40% of the time, you do realize that /drg's 10 accuracy bonus will be better overall, right? Puppetmasters, don't listen to this guy. If you value your melee, then cool. Just don't expect it to be the reason you're worthwhile in any sort of endgame. Use different subjobs appropriately, in different situations. Use whatever you like while soloing. But in my party, never, ever, ever sub monk above 50. I can understand before then, sure.... But if you need the accuracy on top of food, /drg. If you don't, /war. Period. And all of this. Frobeus said: Dubont said: I have seen a 5/5 Usu pup on remora....never ptyd with him but from what i hear hes a beast. He also subs drg and uses Vbelt/wyvern earring and has the haste attachment for his pup. All this if from what i have heard of course. Moron Don't do it Bro. He'll call you an elitest and a nerd. Also; Drue please lie better. Sub Bst, hurhurhur
I like using /WAR, /THF and /SCH myself for Endgame, soloing and whatnot. :3 Geldric said: Don't do it Bro. He'll call you an elitest and a nerd. Schwat?  Side note: War > Mnk post 25. OP is obviously an idiot. Rumaha said: Jiko said: Drue said: War is good for attack bonus but can't hit for ***. When I sub mnk dodge, counter-stance, and focus pwns War. Show me some numbers vs a /war Oh, Vincevalentine said: Drue said: War is good for attack bonus but can't hit for ***. When I sub mnk dodge, counter-stance, and focus pwns War. If you're relying on 20 accuracy, 40% of the time, you do realize that /drg's 10 accuracy bonus will be better overall, right? Puppetmasters, don't listen to this guy. If you value your melee, then cool. Just don't expect it to be the reason you're worthwhile in any sort of endgame. Use different subjobs appropriately, in different situations. Use whatever you like while soloing. But in my party, never, ever, ever sub monk above 50. I can understand before then, sure.... But if you need the accuracy on top of food, /drg. If you don't, /war. Period. And all of this. On top of H2H being a HUGE no-no in HNM, imagine Nidhogg! WING WING WING WING WING wut!? Huge unrelated quotes FTW.
On the topic of Nidhogg, wouldn't that be when you PUP/SCH with Stormwalker and just sit back and nuke? You cant really fight Nid and not be hit by it's Wings... your Maton would get smashed and it would do very little damage with it's nukes.. since Ice is your highest spell, and it's weak to water (apparently lawl)
Dubont said: pup/drg with max haste gear and haste on automation = god NO. Pup with a full haste gear are the worst noobs you can find. We start with 225 H2H skill.. even if you are 8/8 H2H merit, you still need to have a max acc gear. All pup who think otherwise should try to parse their accuracy, not only with their eyes, but with a real parser... The only except will be with the usukane gear which add the same acc you can have with a full acc gear, with 13% haste. With 8/8 H2H, my personal optimum gear for PUP would be:
PUP/DRG Usukane Somen / Faith Torque / Brutal Earring / Wyvern Earring Pantin Tobe +1 / Pantin Dastanas / Toreador's Ring / Rajas Ring Pantin Cape / Swift Belt / Usukane Hizayoroi / Usukane Sune-ate Especially with the addition of Pizza now, I won't have any concerns using that set up on Birds. Edit; I have Tobe +1 A full haste gear like i can see in seraph :
Walahra Turban/xxxx/Wyvern Earring/xxxx Goliard body/Pantin Dastanas/xxxx/xxx xxxx/swift belt/(Barbarossa's Zerehs - sometime)/Enkidu's Leggings You are far away from this lol Well, what I posted was a suitable haste gear for meriting... What you posted is pretty unreasonable for a merit situation, unless you're getting madrigals. And if you're getting Madrigals in a merit party, there is a problem ;3
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Gavvy said: Well, what I posted was a suitable haste gear for meriting... What you posted is pretty unreasonable for a merit situation, unless you're getting madrigals. And if you're getting Madrigals in a merit party, there is a problem ;3 Thats not really true. As a brd also, I get asked for mad's a lot, especially in a 2x brd pt. |
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