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Dev Tracker - Discussion
サーバ: Bahamut
Game: FFXI
Posts: 974
By Bahamut.Justthetip 2022-10-04 08:05:13
Quote: A new section of Sortie is opening up, with new materials to collect—and more importantly, the ability to reforge Empyrean armor to their +3 versions. The stats are beefier than ever, and the path to completion is sure to be a long one. I’m looking forward to seeing what strats you come up with for the latest addition to our newest battle content.
I predict that each current NM will now drop a new KI when you kill it. And those 4 KIs will be required to access the new section, once you enter the new section you lose *all* of your KIs. If this happens they for sure gonna lose subs. Like don't make it longer because of ***like this. Sadly I can see them doing just that which means people gonna take drop off fast if thr jobs don't have the "beefed" up stats like se claims.
 Lakshmi.Buukki
By Lakshmi.Buukki 2022-10-04 08:19:33
Well, the gear is already pretty beefy for +2. DT-13% on one piece is huge, you're probably going to see upwards of -15% or so. Or maybe they double up on stats instead of just tacking on higher values. The Magic Accuracy, Accuracy, MAB, Attack, and Attribute stats are already higher than some of the previous JSE sets, not to mention the combat skill increases are going to push stats significantly higher as well, so it's obvious the gear is going to be a lot beefier. Whether or not the juice is worth the squeeze is an entirely different thing.
I can totally see them doing something like what was mentioned, 4 Boss kill = +30 minute Time Extension, but only because they mentioned "long" and its SE. My hope is that it's not all 4 bosses, but some combination of a set number of objectives (say half) that unlocks access to the lower area. Or, you need to complete a certain amount of objectives in each area before the basement door in the Device room opens up. Either way, I just hope they are not considering extending the time period in Sortie to something like 2 hours.
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 Lakshmi.Elidyr
サーバ: Lakshmi
Game: FFXI
Posts: 912
By Lakshmi.Elidyr 2022-10-04 08:25:38
Just wanted to mention that in the menus for Sortie currently:
they have placeholders for all the +3, and another currency item; most likely just a single new item used to upgrade for the +3. Doesn't mean that it couldn't require multiples, or a sapphire as well on trade in though or even add more to the menus later.
By Seun 2022-10-04 08:36:34
Quote: A new section of Sortie is opening up, with new materials to collect—and more importantly, the ability to reforge Empyrean armor to their +3 versions. The stats are beefier than ever, and the path to completion is sure to be a long one. I’m looking forward to seeing what strats you come up with for the latest addition to our newest battle content.
Now I'm almost sure my prediction of WSD going up to 14-16% is right :)
I also think we'll get more of the same, but I was hoping we would get increased attributes, different affixes and additional job specific affix for +3. Why not increase the damage potential AND the utility?
Phoenix.Iocus
サーバ: Phoenix
Game: FFXI
Posts: 1498
By Phoenix.Iocus 2022-10-04 08:55:19
I am mostly curious at how good the rewards are. If they are spectacular, then it really doesn't matter what the requirements are to get them.
I think seeing +1??? old cases more often in the new area is enough to keep people going for awhile, but if the gear isn't a strong step up from the +2s than I can see it fizzling after the window of interest starts to close. If they improve the set bonuses, so you want to 5/5 or at least make more than 1 token piece, then it could justify it taking a 'long' time.
That being said, TVR getting on with making new weapons at least gives them potentially 2 tasks to be working on for a 'long' time. I really hope the roll out the first steps to upgrading the weapons in November.
Lakshmi.Buukki
By Lakshmi.Buukki 2022-10-04 09:18:50
but I was hoping we would get increased attributes, different affixes and additional job specific affix for +3. Why not increase the damage potential AND the utility?
They didn't put a lot of effort into the +2 versions, they just pasted the same stats across all sets. Some jobs got a different mix of stats or specific stats appropriate to their job class:
Acc/Att/Macc/Mab
Damage Taken -9~13%
Weaponskill Damage +8%
Fast Cast +10%
Magic Burst Bonus +10%
Regen +
Spell Interruption Rate Down #%
etc
Besides improving the JA utility by a couple of points here and there, they didn't do anything unique to any piece of gear, and no jobs got more than 1 new stat. I would be shocked if they went the extra mile with +3 and added even more utility and beefy stats, but I am not expecting that at all.
サーバ: Asura
Game: FFXI
Posts: 266
By Asura.Aburaage 2022-10-04 09:49:46
give us +18% movement for mages *** sake
Asura.Hya
サーバ: Asura
Game: FFXI
Posts: 314
By Asura.Hya 2022-10-04 09:59:54
Quote: A new section of Sortie is opening up, with new materials to collect—and more importantly, the ability to reforge Empyrean armor to their +3 versions. The stats are beefier than ever, and the path to completion is sure to be a long one. I’m looking forward to seeing what strats you come up with for the latest addition to our newest battle content.
I predict that each current NM will now drop a new KI when you kill it. And those 4 KIs will be required to access the new section, once you enter the new section you lose *all* of your KIs.
This is what I thought they were going to do with Bumba access before Atonement 4 was released. It wouldn't surprise me still to see it here in Sortie, though. Their desire could be for groups to enter one day to farm gallimaufry and acquire mega boss entry items, then enter the next day to actually fight it. Although, many groups end up clearing all four mini and main bosses with 10ish minutes left (assuming you don't take time to clear all of C), so if the final area is only a boss, that may leave just enough time to do everything.
サーバ: Shiva
Game: FFXI
Posts: 273
By Shiva.Larrymc 2022-10-04 10:01:24
give us +18% movement for mages *** sake Switch to Shneddick Ring and dont look back.
サーバ: Asura
Game: FFXI
Posts: 266
By Asura.Aburaage 2022-10-04 11:16:12
If weatherspoon or orvail ring didnt exist I totally would
Lakshmi.Buukki
By Lakshmi.Buukki 2022-10-04 11:48:54
Quote: A new section of Sortie is opening up, with new materials to collect—and more importantly, the ability to reforge Empyrean armor to their +3 versions. The stats are beefier than ever, and the path to completion is sure to be a long one. I’m looking forward to seeing what strats you come up with for the latest addition to our newest battle content.
I predict that each current NM will now drop a new KI when you kill it. And those 4 KIs will be required to access the new section, once you enter the new section you lose *all* of your KIs.
This is what I thought they were going to do with Bumba access before Atonement 4 was released. It wouldn't surprise me still to see it here in Sortie, though. Their desire could be for groups to enter one day to farm gallimaufry and acquire mega boss entry items, then enter the next day to actually fight it. Although, many groups end up clearing all four mini and main bosses with 10ish minutes left (assuming you don't take time to clear all of C), so if the final area is only a boss, that may leave just enough time to do everything.
Probably unrelated, but the update notes do say this about temp items:
Quote: Add method to confirm temporary items in possession outside of content
It's possible the bosses will drop temp items after defeat (i.e. You lose the Metal/Shard but get [Section A Keycard] or whatever which is required for basement access). Or they could just be making this change retroactively so people stop having to wonder what temp items they have and this note has nothing at all to do with the new section.
By SimonSes 2022-10-04 12:22:36
Although, many groups end up clearing all four mini and main bosses with 10ish minutes left (assuming you don't take time to clear all of C), so if the final area is only a boss, that may leave just enough time to do everything.
We clear all blue (including full clear C), red and aurum and bosses and usually have 5-15min to spare and it's casual runs tbh. Could probably finish with 20-25min remaining while playing on full focus.
Asura.Hya
サーバ: Asura
Game: FFXI
Posts: 314
By Asura.Hya 2022-10-04 13:57:47
We clear all blue (including full clear C), red and aurum and bosses and usually have 5-15min to spare and it's casual runs tbh. Could probably finish with 20-25min remaining while playing on full focus.
Nice. Here's your gold star sticker. 
Most pickup groups I see yelling don't even intend to clear anything more than A and B, and the runs I have joined have barely pulled in 10k gallimaufry. The content is not going to be designed around you specifically, or the groups who are full clearing with 20+ minutes to spare. Besides, we all know there is a disconnect between what SE thinks is well-designed based on the average group and what actually is.
Asura.Eiryl
By Asura.Eiryl 2022-10-04 15:51:10
Medusa Ambu and "Long"er Sortie for Empy+3 this month? They might fk around and see subs go down in October
Yes, subs will in fact trend down the entire month of october, that's expected. It permanently trends down, and only recovers at the free play.
(I've been watching the player count on the database page for 18 months almost every day) 88,480 May 8th
88,600
88,654 May 10th
88,422
88,396
88,633
89,998
92,620
95,657
97,945
99,283
100,534
101,780 May 20th
102,959
104,430
106,248
107,883
108,858
109,474
109,985
110,408
110,906
111,637 May 30th
112,430
112,911 June 1st
113,103
113,184
113,544
114,122
114,496
114,440
114,358
114,357 June 10th
114,289
114,355
112,391
111,763
110,916
109,619 June 20th
108,588
106,668
104,605
102,676
100,007
99,209
98,135
96,537
94,895
93,586 July 1st
92,332
92,188
91,864
91,025
90,264
89,843
89,173 July 10th
89,094
88,802
87,801
87,655
88,044
87,941 July 20th
87,785
87,927
88,144
88,442
88,674
88,458
88,264
88,262
88,238
88,363
88,747 August 1st
88,840
88,605
88,412
88,309
88,150
88,344
88,630
August 10th
88,381
88,225
89,694
93,030
96,025
99,366
100,339
101,217
102,070 August 20th
102,838
103,884
104,929
105,272
105,378
105,525
106,062
106,383 August 30th
106,210
106,049 September 1st
106,074
106,066
106,176
106,498
106,772
106,766
106,594
106,545
September 10th
106,670
106,668
106,061
105,051
103,924
103,135
102,267
101,151
100,379 September 20th
98,795
96,875
95,585
94,681
93,934
93,604
93,118
92,023
91,149
90,486
90,119 October 1st
90,024
90,196
90,224
89,614
89,374
89,277
89,093
89,261 October 10th
89,236
88,668
88,298
88,119
88,046
88,468
88,624
88,319
87,893 October 20th
87,662
87,532
87,451
87,516
87,931
87,608
87,456
87,386
87,428 October 30th
87,707
87,863 November 1st
87,649
87,558
87,578
87,524
87,494
87,696
87,861
87,626
87,527 November 10th
87,383
87,428
87,660
88,239
88,641
88,467
88,239
88,259
88,335
88,579 Novemeber 20th
89,118
89,500
89,572
89,551
89,636
89,664
89,923
90,270
90,489
90,346 November 30th
90,178
90,166
90,095
90,049
90,330
90,436
90,234
90,050
89,968 December 10th
90,063
90,329
90,244
89,826
89,476
89,245
90,254
92,603
94,896
96,572 December 20th
97,385
98,020
98,504
99,064
99,926
101,027
101,789
102,043
102,451
103,091
103,626 December 31st
104,388
105,557
106,421
106,931
107,389
107,764
108,033
108,189
108,720
109,257 January 10th
109,058
109,076
109,289
109,413
109,603
109,970
109,979
109,571
109,059
108,690 January 20th
108,324
108,020
107,909
107,665
106,969
106,251
105,730
105,008
104,249
103,690 January 30th
103,104
101,880 February 1st
100,504
99,077
97,569
96,400
96,036
94,198
93,013
92,479 February 10th
91,698
91,515
91,667 < Bots were fixed
91,781
91,517
91,114
90,894
90,758
90,751
91,091 February 20th
91,195
90,829
90,515
90,424
90,318
90,298
90,466
90,500
90,154 March 1st
89,850
89,724
89,595
89,568
89,753
89,718
89,310
88,934
88,765 March 10th
88,635
88,473
88,624
88,416
87,764
87,207
86,942
86,716
86,628
86,898 March 20th
87,097
86,717
86,370
86,065
85,811
85,629
85,848
85,870
85,001 March 31st
84,925
84,956
85,285
85,617
85,541
85,497
85,625
85,761
85,966
86,322 April 10th
86,624
86,436
86,299
86,330
86,412
86,689
87,188
87,543
87,462
87,282 April 20th
87,183
87,261
87,495
87,995
88,264
88,072
87,962
88,012
88,143
88,383 April 30th
88,854 May 1st
89,320
89,363
89,380
89,317
89,173
89,102
89,169
89,169
88,993 May 10th
88,895
89,290
91,473
95,980
100,369
103,795
106,770
109,592
112,376
114,818 May 20th
117,469
120,669
123,256
124,737
126,018
127,284
128,468
129,884
131,585
133,036 May 30th
134,771
135,054
135,323
135,506
135,890
136,338
136,392
136,488
136,454
136,581 June 10th
136,507
136,680
136,240
135,377
134,505
132,729
131,802
130,881
129,624 June 20th
127,562
125,397
123,735
121,905
120,362
118,950
117,110
114,482
111,851
109,155 June 30th
106,862 July 1st
105,368
104,132
102,839
101,202
99,820
98,866
98,040
97,533
97,462 July 10th
97,164
96,513
96,921
97,852
98,540
98,605
98,680 July 20th
98,990
99,360
100,017
100,508
100,567
100,557
100,647
100,782
101,188 July 30th
101,838
102,492
102,664
102,782
102,850
104,238
106,977
109,735
111,891
113,138
114,287 August 10th
115,008
116,399
117,609
118,916
119,873
120,268
120,484
120,748
121,110
121,525 August 20th
122,227
122,709
122,523
122,322
122,344
122,215
122,309
122,579
122,021
121,508 August 31st
121,116
120,685
120,400
120,198
119,624
118,524
117,346
116,498
115,595
114,728 September 10th
113,464
112,179
110,628
109,178
107,773
106,664
105,715
105,018
104,220
102,825 September 20th
101,041
99,572
98,396
97,541
96,941
96,147
94,810
93,680
92,866
92,142 September 30th
91,661 October 1st
91,627
91,483
90,816
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Friday, May 14, 2021, at 1:00 a.m. (PDT) to Monday, May 31, at the same hour.
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Bahamut.Justthetip said: »If this happens they for sure gonna lose subs. Like don't make it longer because of ***like this. Sadly I can see them doing just that which means people gonna take drop off fast if thr jobs don't have the "beefed" up stats like se claims.
You have all proven that no matter what you will never stop subbing, so there is absolutely nothing they can do to make a noticeable drop.
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By SimonSes 2022-10-04 16:18:31
We clear all blue (including full clear C), red and aurum and bosses and usually have 5-15min to spare and it's casual runs tbh. Could probably finish with 20-25min remaining while playing on full focus.
Nice. Here's your gold star sticker.
Most pickup groups I see yelling don't even intend to clear anything more than A and B, and the runs I have joined have barely pulled in 10k gallimaufry. The content is not going to be designed around you specifically, or the groups who are full clearing with 20+ minutes to spare. Besides, we all know there is a disconnect between what SE thinks is well-designed based on the average group and what actually is.
I only confirmed what you said about some groups clearing everything with 10 min remaining (even with C) and specified it's possible to push it even more, so no idea why you are being sarcastic about it >.> It was you who suggested that groups like that exist and can potentially clear everything, if new area is only boss, then you criticize my post, which is only follow up on your idea? wtf lol :)
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By SimonSes 2022-10-04 16:45:56
100% predicting that the new area/boss/something wipes all temp items. Have said from say 1 theres no reason for them to be TEMPORARY unless they eventually get removed.
It changes almost nothing tho. The only KI chests that you wont redo during full clear every run anyway is maybe B1, C2 and D1. B1 takes like 1-2 min extra max with Bolters and a party, C2 takes 20 sec extra and D1 is 0-40 sec extra. Everything else you redo anyway for bosses or it's just otw to pick up without almost any effort.
By Hopalong 2022-10-05 08:24:49
Quote: You have all proven that no matter what you will never stop subbing, so there is absolutely nothing they can do to make a noticeable drop.
Aren't you wrapped up pretty tight in ffxi also. You all = We all?
Asura.Eiryl
By Asura.Eiryl 2022-10-05 11:02:17
In the technical sense, stuck yes.
You all is not we however.
Yours is entertainment, mine is business. Wearenotthesame.meme
AH is my MMO so that's my entertainment, as it's F2P
Asura.Bippin
サーバ: Asura
Game: FFXI
Posts: 1085
By Asura.Bippin 2022-10-05 11:17:54
Yours is entertainment, mine is business. Wearenotthesame.meme Is posting on the forums business time then?
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By Hopalong 2022-10-05 11:33:54
Pretty sure we the same, you are just deeper down the rabbit hole.
That's ok though, seems as though you're willing to help out and share knowledge quite a bit.
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Phoenix.Capuchin
サーバ: Phoenix
Game: FFXI
Posts: 3592
By Phoenix.Capuchin 2022-10-05 14:32:11
I have no desire to play countless hours either. I'm just saying I want to see some form of guaranteed payout. However they choose to do it is up to them. Anything has to be better than the current system. Once you finish your empyrean +2 there's no real incentive to farm earrings. You could go a whole year and not see the job you want in +1, much less +2. That really sucks. I prefer consistency over randomness any day. I'd just limit how often I do the event if it ends up being too time intensive. I don't want to burn out on sortie either.
Well, one way to incentivize farming earrings despite the randomness would be if they added something like a 3:1 or 5:1 trade for an earring of your choice of job (with random augments). Similar to original Empy feet 3:1 trade-in. Same tier to same tier would be nice too: 3x NQ earrings for any 1 NQ earring of your choice, same thing for +1 and +2. Or maybe trade even more for a higher tier earring (e.g., trade 5x NQs for a +1, or 5x +1s for a +2, something like that)
Wouldn't be hard to implement, would STILL retain some randomness that they seem to crave, and +1/+2 are still rare enough that it's not going to be something you can farm super quickly, but still dangling enough of an attainable carrot to keep people farming.
Quetzalcoatl.Jakey
サーバ: Quetzalcoatl
Game: FFXI
Posts: 300
By Quetzalcoatl.Jakey 2022-10-05 15:22:56
I have no desire to play countless hours either. I'm just saying I want to see some form of guaranteed payout. However they choose to do it is up to them. Anything has to be better than the current system. Once you finish your empyrean +2 there's no real incentive to farm earrings. You could go a whole year and not see the job you want in +1, much less +2. That really sucks. I prefer consistency over randomness any day. I'd just limit how often I do the event if it ends up being too time intensive. I don't want to burn out on sortie either.
Well, one way to incentivize farming earrings despite the randomness would be if they added something like a 3:1 or 5:1 trade for an earring of your choice of job (with random augments). Similar to original Empy feet 3:1 trade-in. Same tier to same tier would be nice too: 3x NQ earrings for any 1 NQ earring of your choice, same thing for +1 and +2. Or maybe trade even more for a higher tier earring (e.g., trade 5x NQs for a +1, or 5x +1s for a +2, something like that)
Wouldn't be hard to implement, would STILL retain some randomness that they seem to crave, and +1/+2 are still rare enough that it's not going to be something you can farm super quickly, but still dangling enough of an attainable carrot to keep people farming. Now 0/102 on any type of DRG earring. (at least 2 of all other jobs)
I have kept my earrings so if a system like this would be implemented I'm ready but the most I would expect is maybe a +2 case in the new area but still totally getting screwed with 1/22 on the job you want.
I doubt they will do much to improve earring situations until people start finishing empy +3 and stop doing sortie then they make it easier to get earrings you want to get people to come back and do more sortie.
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Quetzalcoatl.Jakey
サーバ: Quetzalcoatl
Game: FFXI
Posts: 300
By Quetzalcoatl.Jakey 2022-10-05 16:27:53
Why would they improve it? This is the content for the next few years. I call it the Shinryu Dilema. If you make drop rate too low trying to extend content you just end up with people in mass ignoring the content instead and then it ends up doing an even worse job extending the content than if they had made a reasonable drop rate.
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Asura.Eiryl
By Asura.Eiryl 2022-10-05 16:28:16
Why would they improve it? This is the content for the next few years.
If they aren't adding gil drops, then earrings have to be the sole motivator to keep you going for multiple years.
Feels like a *** up, gil drops are a significant motivator to push metrics, but you can always count on them to make every decision worse than the last as absolutely no one is willing to call them out and/or unsub.
Lakshmi.Buukki
By Lakshmi.Buukki 2022-10-05 16:32:54
Quetzalcoatl.Jakey said: »Why would they improve it? This is the content for the next few years. I call it the Shinryu Dilema. If you make drop rate too low trying to extend content you just end up with people in mass ignoring the content instead and then it ends up doing an even worse job extending the content than if they had made a reasonable drop rate.
And the drops ended up in Trove anyways, so people get it from there. Reason why I wouldn't be surprised if they added +2 earrings to Trove, just to further double down on the foolishness.
By Seun 2022-10-05 16:42:28
Quetzalcoatl.Jakey said: »I doubt they will do much to improve earring situations until people start finishing empy +3 and stop doing sortie then they make it easier to get earrings you want to get people to come back and do more sortie.
The new content is more difficult and rewards better armor, why wouldn't the earrings follow this trend? I wouldn't be surprised to see Old Case +1 for purchase with the new currency. I also wouldn't be shocked to see Old Case +2 as a rare drop.
 Bismarck.Nickeny
サーバ: Bismarck
Game: FFXI
Posts: 2217
By Bismarck.Nickeny 2022-10-05 17:32:07
Oddy gear is just that damn good... That damn spicy...
They should've done abyssea 2.0 instead of Sortie..
Would've been lit to have the SOA Zones in Abyssea format, instead of EZ ZZ Sortie. And to add insult to injury they went the 6 man route... lmao
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