July 2026 Version Update

While we are all doing what we can to keep Vanadiel safe against those hordes of beastmen, Dodik is just a plant seeding discord for yagudo’s cause…

Makes one long for the days of "new HTBF body doesn't totally replace empy +3 on multiple jobs, devs are retards who don't know their own game" in the long long ago, in the before times.

IDK how many times I have to repeat this to you, but I'll try it one more time then give up because you're clearly not arguing in good faith and not reading anything I say.


OK, let's try READING this sentence instead of just skipping to the parts we want and quoting those.

Here's the definition of 3rd party programs:
Programs
made and distributed by an individual other than SE
That impact gameplay in any way

Usage of...

The second part is incredibly important because is excludes things like launching a Calculator on your desktop while playing FFXI, because Calculators don't impact gameplay in any way.

Now, would you like to answer the question I've already posed to you, which you ignored?

HOW DOES WINDOWER IMPACT FFXI GAMEPLAY?

No we tried that discussion here, and it was met with "OMG YOU VETERANS ALWAYS WANT GEAR CATERED TO YOU THIS IS FOR NEW PLAYERS!!!" Then the reported drop rate was trash, so we quickly dropped that. Don't worry, this thread will soon end up shitting on Limbus very soon.

We should be arguing about how terribly SE has been dropping the ball with these gear updates instead of discussions from over two decades ago about windower/vanilla use. That's the real problem lately

The better question is how does anything that was said over the last four pages or so have anything to do with the version update. I’m with Buukki here. If we’ve run out of stuff to talk about after the update (which to be fair wasn’t that much of an update) then it might be time to let the thread fall off. This discussion is going downhill fast.

certified cash money position

To be clear, I never said ***about using GS, anchor, craft bots, flee hacks, or any of that crap. I couldn't give a rat's *** if you want to play the game by modding it into an unrecognizable mess.

I said 6-botting is a cancer on the community. It is.

Then a bunch of people came in pretending that their bots aren't bots. You know I'm allergic to lies and ***, stop posting it if you don't want me to slap that ***down.

I also didn't bring MY gameplay style into this conversation, that was brought up by other ***. I don't hold anyone to my standards or expect anyone else to follow my lead. If someone asks me a question about how I play, I answer it. If you don't want to hear about it, stop asking the *** questions.

Joke's on you, I 12 box.
One party of 6 cancels out the other.
It's like a double negative.
Checkmate, atheists.


Also, Richy shitposting aside, I sometimes dual box my wife's character. Yes, alt-tabbing. Yes, I'm *** terrible at it.
Thanks for coming to my Ted talk.

With that avatar wouldn't it be more of a teddy talk?

Now that I know my bots are bots I'm gonna bot even harder

So back to the version update

Nobody has made a new HTBF thread. Is the fight that forgettable that we're not even interested in discussing it in detail? Are we so upset with the quality of drops that we forgot about this fight not even a full week into the update? Because if so, that's incredibly sad.

It's probably the most useless HTMB ever (at time of release)

I mean the ammo is neat, bye bye hasty pinion, but everything else is yikes

Not any strategy per say either. It's just a generic *** zerg with weak adds. And Terribad drop rates for trash drops.

I joined a pickup VD group for it. Didn't have a key item ahead of time so I only did 2 runs. I mainly just wanted the title. Just like the original it's a full zerg fight, but melee zerg works just as well as anything else. Drk, sam, war, w/e tears through the crystal. Ignore the adds (they don't spawn copies of your characters anymore, it's just generic seed yagudo, seed orc, seed quadav, or w/e). Fight was over in less than a minute and we got the WSD ammo on both kills. I didn't lot because I'm not wasting my inventory space on something I'll never have the set bonus for.

Weapons and ammo are miserable drop rates. It was neat to reminisce the music track for the fight though. Brings back memories. I probably won't ever be going back. Yes, it really is that forgettable.

Regardless of the set bonus, 5% haste on the ammo slot has "uses".

After a dozen arguments about nyame 5/5 being 20% haste and alabaster earrings and belts

Yes, but I have alabaster earring maxed out. It’s fine for people that need the haste. But I didn’t, so I skipped. The accessory versus non accessory drop rate is the same as shinryu, so if I ever want one in the future it’ll be trivial to get.

I can't recall a single HTBF that's had this little buzz at release. What a complete joke.

That character is literally named "Ted"

Sad to read about groups not wanting to try things. Sometimes it just takes one or two people to step up and lead, but not many want to take on that responsibility. I've spent most of my time in FFXI leading events because I'm not about to sit around waiting for someone else to do it. I've been doing it for over 20 years and still don't think I'm particularly good at it, but other people remind me of everything we've accomplished that probably wouldn't have happened if I hadn't kept trying every week.

It can be intimidating to lead and risk failing, but every attempt teaches you something. I've always felt the hardest part of running any event is getting everything organised and making sure everyone understands their role. There's pressure in remembering all the little details while trying to keep things moving, especially when someone is asking, "Are we starting yet?" Even so, it's incredibly rewarding when everything comes together.

I hate losing. Anyone who runs with me knows that. I might get a little grumpy, but I'll never yell at people or quit. We figure out what went wrong and try not to make the same mistake twice. Sometimes, though, you just have to accept that your group isn't quite ready yet, whether that's because of gear, jobs, experience, or party composition. That's okay. Come back another day and try again.

The next time someone asks if people want to do something, consider stepping up. Ask who needs it, what jobs people can bring, whether anyone has done it before, and what strategy works best. Figure out who can heal, who can deal the most damage, and whether you have the support jobs you need. If you don't, can you make up for it another way? There's almost always a solution. You just learn to adapt as you gain experience, and that learning never really stops.

I enjoy seeing returning players organise groups and give things a shot. I'm always happy to share advice if they ask, but sometimes I don't want to simply carry them through it. We all struggled at some point, and some of the biggest lessons come from the fights that don't go according to plan.

Does sleep or petrify hit the adds? Are the drops already available from trove?

This will happen in the August 2028 update to trove, when they add a tier below 'noise' for drops this bad.

Any indications that killing them adds a drop slot like Lilith did/does?

What I find funny is, Cloud and Shinryu were throttled with a 30 merit entry fee... to quell the masses from entering all at once and causing congestion/lines at the BCNM entrance.

With how poor the rewards are for this new HTMB... no one's going, let alone lining up, and yet still the cost is 30 merits?

Seems counterintuitive

To be clear, the 30 merit cost *is* the anti-congestion measure - it has nothing to do with the value of the HTMB.

This is correct. Comically, the drops are sufficient congestion alleviation.

It's so surreal that this game has fallen to the point where this is a genuinely reasonable take. But regardless...

Am I really the only who genuinely enjoys bots? building bots, running bots, watching them fail/succeed, tweaking bots, and just the process of botting in itself? That ***is fun as *** man! Who cares if people think you're lame or cringe or whatever. Why do you still care what other people think of you?

It's so wild that a place like this exists. A place where people feel the need to pretend that their bots aren't bots, their cheats aren't cheats, that their cheating is somehow less cheaty than other cheats, where people can't even post videos of their accomplishments for fear of showing the world they are cheating scum just like everyone else! God damn man lmfao

How old is everyone? I thought I was old, but maybe not, I'm 30. Aren't you guys in your 40s? 50s? How can someone be THAT old and STILL be so insecure in their own skin?

I don't know honestly... this place is both terrifying and fascinating.

I don't have much time these days between enjoying other games and IRL, but when I do get the time to pop on, it's always just the same ***over and over. Do you guys not get tired of arguing with the same people about the same thing, with both parties knowing that absolutely nothing will come out of it?

Even as someone who is quite literally insane, the way some of you guys behave honestly puts me to shame...

can't relate but you do you boo. also dodik just learned about the word "cringe" this year and hasn't figured out how to make it land yet so i wouldn't worry about it much


SE's policies and methods on 3rd party software essentially mean they're policed as much as players care about it, and XIAH's most dedicated posters are a slice of social substrate from the time of MySpace. you post a screenshot or a stream demonstrating you use 3rd party software, someone has a vendetta out for you, boom. just takes one person getting pissy enough

if you want my opinion peak cringe looks something like staking one's sense of Gamer Pride on how much one loves taking the Everquest experience sans lube, the pure nobility of tattling on largely harmless QoL improvements in a game with a dwindling userbase, life support development, and 0 meaningful competitive aspects as if tilting at that windmill is community service that'll turn back time and make people want to group with 'em. hail to these brave knights of the MMO retirement home

When a man gets on a moral high horse claiming to be morally superior and that their cheating is somehow morally good compared to everyone else's cheating..

Some high level hypocrisy there, sprinkled with extreme autism and lack of/over medication.

Who gives a ***. Live your life. Cheat. Do weed. Don't do drugs tho, not moral.

I see you still haven't figured out what the word hypocrisy means, damn. I knew you had no capacity to learn anything but you just keep proving it over and over again.

Still waiting for you to tell me how Windower without addons changes the gameplay of FFXI. I'll probably have to wait until the heat death of the universe before you attempt to explain that one to me. Could you explain how it's cheating? Happy to explain how any of the things I consider cheating are, IDK why you won't. Maybe because you have absolutely no logical basis for your trolling nonsense posts.

I already said, about 100 times, that I don't give a *** if someone cheats. I don't know how much more clear I can make it. Do you need me to type it in Spanish or something? I never complained about people using speed hacks, or GS, or any tools at all.

For those in the back: 6-botting is awful for the community. I don't like things that are bad for the community. When someone else shares their opinion about things they don't like (apparently OK to do, as long as other people bombard it with upvotes?), I will also share my opinion about things that I don't like (apparently I'm the devil for this).


Yes, yes, and what the *** are you talking about?

Obviously some cheats are more cheaty than others. Would you say Dressup is the same level of cheating as Tako and Silmaril? What kind of drugs did you have to smoke to get yourself into this mind state? Are you Dodik's cousin or something?


Honestly: No. But that aside, I think it's important to address this. Let's say someone is posting racist ***online. You can't change their mind, so don't bother to reply to them?

Inb4: racism is the same as cheating in a video game?! HURR DURR

Have you ever, in your entire life, heard of an analogy?

By your logic: if both parties know that absolutely nothing will come of it, then just let racists post racism online. Whoops, I guess that logic is really *** stupid and not a good rule to apply when trying to decide if it's worth engaging in a discussion online.

and is this person in the room with us now?


yeah man it's everyone else that struggles to read between the lines or get social cues


now this is a conversation i want to have-- why is it bad for the community? from where i see it, people interested in it weren't going to play and group with other players anyway and feed non-RMT sub money into the company. i doubt there's enough data traffic coming from these players to disrupt servers. as an established player i was actually grateful at times that there were people out there 6-box soloing sheol B to make lustreless hides affordable, so i could spend my time experimenting and doing other things i found actually fun.

for ref my view and experience here is shaded by playing in the last five or so years on asura

The majority of folk seem to think 6botting and all the tools associated are like SE sanctioned and base-game given QoL tools but actually saying that you're botting, or using something like speed tools, that's somehow taboo... But the automated squad of jesters, no not cheats, I would never...

That's what's so confusing about this, at least to me.

When I played back in the day bots weren't really as rampant (or maybe I just didn't pay attention or care enough) but cupper etc existed... Now when I came back a few years ago, everyone 6bots and bots MLs regularly, but condemns speed/pos hacks? Because I guess that's more "risky" than openly and clearly botting?