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 Valefor.Ryukuro
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By Valefor.Ryukuro 2010-05-23 07:43:46  
You guys really care too much about this stuff don't you? What more do you want me to say? Admit im doing it wrong and do things the way you do and that ill be better off? Cause i won't, so don't bother, i said im happy with what i use and parse results have proven it to me.

Yes, Dirtyfinger, i do have a seperate set with more ACC without riceballs but it just has never come close to the DMG i do with my current set.

And yeah my Galea has STR+4 WS ACC+15 WS DMG+2%.
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By Odin.Dirtyfinger 2010-05-23 07:54:46  
I still think you're doing it wrong, and yes we do care about it that much to the point where someone who is quite blatantly wrong trying to justify their choices of gear to other people. I have wrote down the differences on the other post in math, which is more than you've done might I add.

I'm also fully aware that there is nothing anyone can say to change your mind as with alot of other bandwagon samurai's, the highest WS DMG = best samurai. Consistency means nothing of course. Parse against some other SAM's using the 'proven to be superior scenario' and come back with those results and I'd be more than happy to admit defeat, until then GL with things.
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By Valefor.Ryukuro 2010-05-23 07:55:47  
quote me all your math i don't care, parse results dont lie. get over it mate.

Im doing it wrong, to whose standards? the elite Samaurai's of FFXIAH's forums? Sorry i dont live up to your standards, actually, im not sorry, don't see why i should be either..... your opinion is noted as is everyone elses and i appreciate the criticism but in the long run, its just that, your opinion. Have you tried this setup i use? Or you just running off your math? There are alot of variables to account for that math cannot, and sure while it is quite reliable to run a basis off it can't be used as 100% proof for anything.

Yes i have parsed against every type of Pole SAM i can think of, Full Usu pole sams using sushi, using riceballs, relic sams, gond sams, tomoe sams blah blah blah, i dont just base what i have said over 1 or 2 parse results... with Double Min/Double March, Min/March,Min/Madrigal etc etc all types of COR and BRD setups/songs and everytime bar one time i came out on top, even if only by a % or two, and no, its not all about the highest WS numbers its about the average WS DMG and overall % of dmg you do and i have nothing to prove to you, ive seen my own results, keep throwing this ***at me and ill just keep going off back at you, this dude can try whatever setup he likes, i never said my way is the only way or the best way, i just said IT WORKS WELL FOR ME and he should consider giving it a try, never told him "Oi ***, riceball set is the way and the only way DO EEEEETTTT!" just wanted to share my experiences.

Someone earlier also asked what balls i use, i use tonosama obviously, Shogun Balls you do not waste on birds, what kind of a *** *** would do that? LOL!

Vege boy, yes my nuevo has DA instead of Attack, mistake i made i know, when i get a chance/have the gil i will be buying a haub+1, so get over it lol xD when i made my first post i admitted my gear is quite shitty atm and far from perfect but it does its job and when i am geared better even more so =P

"Parse against some other SAM's using the 'proven to be superior scenario' and come back with those results and I'd be more than happy to admit defeat, until then GL with things."

I have ***, i already said i have, open your eyes mate. I don't see how 30-35k an hr is less than superior =)

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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-05-23 07:56:48  
Valefor.Ryukuro said:
quote me all your math i don't care, parse results dont lie. get over it mate

Kindly post the parses please.
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By Odin.Dirtyfinger 2010-05-23 07:57:44  
Show me then and..

Odin.Dirtyfinger said:
Parse against some other SAM's using the 'proven to be superior scenario' and come back with those results and I'd be more than happy to admit defeat.
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By Valefor.Ryukuro 2010-05-23 08:10:38  
Shiva.Flionheart said:
Valefor.Ryukuro said:
quote me all your math i don't care, parse results dont lie. get over it mate

Kindly post the parses please.

Already stated mate that i play on xbox360 and my friend has parsed all my results using KParser. If he has kept any copies ill score them off him and proudly post them.
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By Valefor.Ryukuro 2010-05-23 08:15:36  
sorry for double post, and sorry for the thread derailment Aiyana >.<. GL with any setup you choose to try dude =)
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-05-23 12:07:25  
Parse results don't lie, but it's important to keep in mind that there's a hell of a lot you miss by just posting the basic parse info. Even if your parses are legit, there's a lot of doingitwrong going on here that skews things in your favor. In a properly set up meripo you'd be crushed by even a half decent sushi setup.
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By Valefor.Ryukuro 2010-05-23 13:49:34  
Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Parse results don't lie, but it's important to keep in mind that there's a hell of a lot you miss by just posting the basic parse info. Even if your parses are legit, there's a lot of doingitwrong going on here that skews things in your favor. In a properly set up meripo you'd be crushed by even a half decent sushi setup.

Sorry, last time i was in a pt with Min/March against a SAM better geared using sushi i crushed him by about 5%. So sorry your wrong mate =)
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-05-23 13:51:25  
Give us proof then.

Don't state it unless you have the proof ready to back it up.
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2010-05-23 13:54:19  
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Sorry, last time i was in a pt with Min/March against a SAM better geared using sushi i crushed him by about 5%. So sorry your wrong mate =)

The day 75% accuracy beats 95% accuracy is a sad day for FFXI.

It's also not going to happen because he performs about 27% more successful attacks than you from accuracy alone and should have roughly the same number of extra weaponskills.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-05-23 13:57:04  
lol @ the parses don't lie statement. All a parse shows is who the better player is. If you showed me even one of these parses, I could point out various reasons why the other sams plain sucked.
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By Caitsith.Linear 2010-05-23 13:57:17  
Zanshin.

To expand on that:

Once Zanshin is accounted for, he's landed enough hits for it to be equal to having an 85% hit-rate.

At that points, it's 100 ATT and 2% DA vs. 20 ACC.
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By Caitsith.Linear 2010-05-23 14:11:17  
You're all too narrow minded as far as I'm concerned. Taking Zanshin into account and gearing around it is not gearing to miss.

You're gearing to take advantage of an existing job trait that shouldn't be ignored.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-05-23 14:14:30  
If we're talking birds, you only need 600ish attack to cap w/ dia II, which can be done even on a kabob.
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By Caitsith.Linear 2010-05-23 14:19:26  
Oh, I'm not saying he's geared right. However, you're all flat out saying it's impossible for him to have outparsed another SAM using sushi, due to his ACC, which isn't necessarily correct.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-05-23 14:20:47  
Caitsith.Linear said:
Oh, I'm not saying he's geared right. However, you're all flat out saying it's impossible for him to have outparsed another SAM using sushi, due to his ACC, which isn't necessarily correct.
Who do you mean by "you're all" I already gave my stance on the parse.
Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
lol @ the parses don't lie statement. All a parse shows is who the better player is. If you showed me even one of these parses, I could point out various reasons why the other sams plain sucked.


Again, you group me along with words I did not say nor agree with.
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2010-05-23 14:22:11  
He's giving up Haste and such for his setup as well. The accuracy deficiency above is still 11.8% of an attack frequency advantage to the sushi user (and they presumably have better WS averages and such due to consistency). All things being equal, I don't think he can win.
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By Caitsith.Linear 2010-05-23 14:23:39  
It wasn't aimed at you. More of a blanket statement to the community.

Y'know, the ones who refuse to acknowledge Zanshin, besides to mock it.
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By Fairy.Ghaleon 2010-05-23 23:35:37  
edit- finally read his wall o text, he answered my question :D lul.

but yea you can parse all you want if the person you are parsing against sucks then ofc your going to come out on top

inb4 he was parsing against full usu sam w/o merits.


summary-
you won't outparse any non-suck samurai.
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By Sylph.Vincentius 2010-05-23 23:42:41  
He mentioned Full Usu SAM's using Sushi. Need I say more?
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By Valefor.Ryukuro 2010-05-24 02:26:33  
lol still going on about it, get over it ladies =)
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-05-24 02:31:00  
Valefor.Ryukuro said:
lol still going on about it, get over it ladies =)
Your set still fails
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By Valefor.Ryukuro 2010-05-24 02:32:43  
Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
Valefor.Ryukuro said:
lol still going on about it, get over it ladies =)
Your set still fails

lotta my gear sucks yeah but my set still works, get over it, not perfect and its a work in progress but it still does the job!
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-05-24 02:35:26  
Valefor.Ryukuro said:
Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
Valefor.Ryukuro said:
lol still going on about it, get over it ladies =)
Your set still fails

lotta my gear sucks yeah but my set still works, get over it
Over it? It never bothered me to begin with. If you were in my party with that ***gear, sure, then maybe there'd be something to get over, but as you are now, it has 0 effect on me.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-05-24 02:36:02  
Previous statement also applies to your drg and your gkt build for sam, too

Edit: and war
 
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By Valefor.Ryukuro 2010-05-24 02:41:21  
Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
Valefor.Ryukuro said:
Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
Valefor.Ryukuro said:
lol still going on about it, get over it ladies =)
Your set still fails

lotta my gear sucks yeah but my set still works, get over it
Over it? It never bothered me to begin with. If you were in my party with that ***gear, sure, then maybe there'd be something to get over, but as you are now, it has 0 effect on me.

doubt you would ***all over me with your setup, might beat me by a few %, but still wouldnt walk all over me no matter the songs/rolls. In fact with your gear you would benefit more from riceballs than me, much more >.> Don't know why everyone is so against it when half of you if not more haven't even tried it yet. ZGo on read your math, follow the herd, *** sheep the lot of yas.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-05-24 02:44:06  
Lakshmi.Mabrook said:
NQ Battle Fork? Gimp.
Try harder :)

9hit > 10hit
 
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