Razed Ruins + Rampage/Vorpal Blade

It is the same gear, higher base damage axes, higher skill, and Vorpal still consistently outputs higher. You're just another group think forum idiot who can't think or do things for himself. Surely, because someone else did the testing, it was conclusive and the absolute standard and truth. Kudos.

Veg watch out, he used " ... " He can not be wrong at this point

Let me guess, you eyeballed this, too?

It's called math. Learn it.

you think it's 2.5 ftp and you call me the idiot.

I rest my case

Parse or it didn't happen.

Edit' About the whole "You're just another group think forum idiot who can't think or do things for himself"

Tiger does all his own math you *** moron :(

But I read how to do it on a forum! he's right man!

Sorry about the late resposnse. ><

Yes it's fan made as far as the shape of the land masses but ever place is a region referenced by npcs in game. :D

i was curious one day after i got razed ruins and eve atmas during an exp/TE party on war.
using maneater i was doing 1500+ with lvl 78 capped skill on axe. using a pretty shitty ws set as well. i was also /sam and not dualwielding lol.

my skill is capped for sword @ 85 and my vorpals were doing 1500 with 2k+ being a glory shot.

if anyone has capped axe skill and a decent axe weapon i dont see how vorpal is outdoing rampage. rampage is definately the better ws out of the two. if your doing better vorpals then your just gimp or biased for using axe period.

but this was on war so ofc feel free to troll me and inb4 nomaths etc.

Eyeballing

i knew it was coming :P

Your equation is not your own, therefore your tests are not your own. I don't do the math, and I don't really care. You did ask for a parse, and so I'll give you a link to the only parse I've been given access to. Do note, the swords I were using at the time were a Dissector and a Joyeuse. It was before Abyssea got big, no cruor buffs, no atmas. The axes were Woodsville and Maneater. Feel free to calculate for me the disparage between the base damages, multiplications, and the number of times used.

Just curious, but is there any math that backs up the statement: Vorpal Blade > Rampage?
granted, they're the same STR mod and you can use a higher base damage sword (hannibal's)
edit: each hit of vorpal has 1.0 fTP while Rampage hits only have 0.5 fTP each <.< does that affect it?

http://www.guildportal.com/Guild.aspx?GuildID=359508&ForumID=1711471&TabID=3010690&Replies=6&TopicID=9132820

And yeah, feel free to call me an idiot and gloriously denounce me if you find yourself in the right.

You are not logged in with the correct permissions for that forum.

Hold up, I'll get you the listing. Let me make it nice and neat for you though.

Mind if I ask you what job you did these "parses" on? I noticed on your page that the only job that you have leveled that can use axe/sword is war and I wanted to make sure that was the job you used and not a alt char with drk.

Atomicbean 66798 45.48 % 151/0 100.00 % 0/774 442.37
- Drakesbane 29587 44.29 % 66/0 100.00 % 74/774 448.29
- Penta Thrust 26859 40.21 % 57/0 100.00 % 127/746 471.21
- Sonic Thrust 10352 15.50 % 28/0 100.00 % 0/545 369.71

Chareos 24486 28.23 % 99/0 100.00 % 68/656 247.33
- Atonement 1407 5.75 % 5/0 100.00 % 176/488 281.40
- Sanguine Blade 18093 73.89 % 72/0 100.00 % 127/258 251.29
- Savage Blade 68 0.28 % 1/0 100.00 % 68/68 68.00
- Spirits Within 1310 5.35 % 2/0 100.00 % 654/656 655.00
- Vorpal Blade 3608 14.73 % 19/0 100.00 % 82/327 189.89

Hampster 116392 61.26 % 168/7 96.00 % 237/1248 692.81
- Tachi: Ageha 499 0.43 % 2/0 100.00 % 237/262 249.50
- Tachi: Gekko 107244 92.14 % 152/6 96.20 % 291/1248 705.55
- Tachi: Kasha 4994 4.29 % 7/1 87.50 % 571/1001 713.43
- Tachi: Yukikaze 3655 3.14 % 7/0 100.00 % 318/750 522.14

Vyre 72261 37.25 % 137/1 99.28 % 110/1515 527.45
- Bora Axe 9448 13.07 % 25/1 96.15 % 139/696 377.92
- Fell Cleave 266 0.37 % 1/0 100.00 % 266/266 266.00
- King's Justice 3875 5.36 % 7/0 100.00 % 368/720 553.57
- Mistral Axe 497 0.69 % 1/0 100.00 % 497/497 497.00
- Raging Rush 1172 1.62 % 2/0 100.00 % 561/611 586.00
- Rampage 27814 38.49 % 39/0 100.00 % 110/1276 713.18
- Savage Blade 3383 4.68 % 8/0 100.00 % 161/1515 422.88
- Steel Cyclone 637 0.88 % 1/0 100.00 % 637/637 637.00
- Vorpal Blade 25169 34.83 % 53/0 100.00 % 218/863 474.89

This is only WS damage by the way. I felt the rest of the parse would be irrelevant. Something weird about the spacing won't let me get it any neater than that.

It was War, yeah, but the discussion has devolved into which WS is better more or less, so job isn't so much of an issue any longer.

Sort of is since war has a higher skill with axe. So any tests done on war with a mob your not capping atk/acc on will be biased towards axe.

If possible could me get your current ws set stats, the weapons used stats, mob lvl, your lvl and skill lvl when this test was done pls? :D

First hit is modded by fTP only, subsequent hits are 1, and Rampage has more hits than Vorpal. So its 4.0 vs 4.5. Mathematically speaking there's no way Vorpal would beat Rampage.

If pDIF/fSTR/DMG is the same, higher fTP wins. If he did actually pull ahead with sword, it'd be nothing more than luck with crit hits or variables like DA.

- Rampage 27814 38.49 % 39/0 100.00 % 110/1276 713.18


- Vorpal Blade 25169 34.83 % 53/0 100.00 % 218/863 474.89


So you're trying to prove vorpal blade is better than rampage with a 713 average vs a 474 average? With vorpal blade being the lower of the 2 numbers?

Ah, I didn't know that.
Also, WAR tests aren't accurate as DRK has B- skill in both, and DRK can use a sword 4 base damage higher than the best axe. Hannibal's sword + Vorpal vs Woodville's axe + Rampage. GO!
edit: wrong weapon
ftfy

At the time that parse was taken we were fighting Pachypodiums. All people involved were level 80. In total we fought 174 Pachypodiums. You can laugh at me a little more, I play on PS2 and have for 6 years, so I wouldn't have anything to allow me to see their level. Respective axe and sword skill were both capped. 304 Axe, 290 Sword

Already stated the weapons, but I'll state them again along with what I was using at that time for my weaponskill setup.

Swords - Dissector(broken), Joyeuse
Axes - Woodsville, Maneater

Ammo - Bomb Core
Head - Fourth Division haube
Body - Kirin's Osode
Hands - Hecatomb Mittens
Ring1 - Rajas Ring
Ring2 - Ulthalam's Ring
Waist - Warwolf Belt
Legs - Byakko's Haidate
Feet - Rutter Sabatons
Back - Amemet Mantle +1
Earring1 - Brutal Earring
Earring2 - Axes(Fowling Earring), Swords(Suppanomimi)

And I apologize for being a forum noob and not just making those into images. I've only recently begun posting in here out of boredom/ to have epic discussions where I get called/proven an idiot several times. It's fun you know and somewhat constructive.

I see you've grown impatient and didn't read out where I put that the weapons had radically different base damage. I.E. Dissector Vs. Woodsville

Question: With the max dmg sword being 5 vs woodvilles at 50 for drk, would the weapon rank change that 224 vs 225 number significantly? assuming capped fStr for both ranks.

And your point is?

No matter what weapon you use, you can't prove vorpal > rampage, when you bring a parse that says otherwise.

How in the world is that parse supposed to prove your point?


It has 0 to do with impatience. It has to do with you not proving a single thing.

Considering your dissector has +6% crit rate, I'm pretty positive what I said about it being luck is true. You probably scored more crits on average than you did with Rampage, that doesn't make it a better WS.

Tiger what would you change about this set up?

Well would depend on food and hitrate, etc, but would probably use Forager over cuch and if you need acc use anguinus belt. Depending on acc sub bomblet for bomb core.