Bale Body And Hands NQ HQ HQ2

Thing is, as TP gear the Twilight set is gimp. Body aside, might have use for some jobs but I'm pretty sure most would use something else at present.

Its gimp because its not as good as other sets.

How is that hard to understand.

More haste, More Str, More Attk = All around better DD'ing

Less haste, Less Str, Less Attk = Crappier DD'ing all around.

Using bale full time IS NOT AS GOOD as a mix and Match set. And its very easy to see why..but for some reason you can't.

Understand?

You have no idea how much haste increases your damage...

I already gave you the reasons, in a previous post. I'm not repeating myself. Go back and read.

This.

I see why gearswapping is good (still not doing it for every single action). I got that. I have had that even before this thread. Your not reading that I do have that. No one is being held back at all. You have it in your head that if your not gearwapping your doing it wrong. Thats fine. I have it in my head that its not the case. We can agree on that. Moving on. So I will rephrase it: Looking at the Bale AF +2 armor, what do you think of it? Is it gimp or not? and why? When you answer this. Dont tell me about other armors that have soooooooo much more haste and such. Im asking about the 5 peices of armor that you need seal/coins to ugrade for DRK. Just answer the question as it is. Thats all I wanted. lol

wow... people did answer the question in numerous ways. This is incredible...

Actually, I have a really good understanding of how haste and its caps along with how dmg work. Simply put, Attacking faster means your hitting more times in shorter strecthes thus getting you to the 100 tp mark to do more weapon skills which yeilds more dmg. Its easy to see. Haste is not a complicated thing. Good state to have.

The testing hasn't been made yet, to my understanding.

Lol. No they didnt. They answered why gearswapping is good. Although I agreed that it does add to dmg and helps, I didnt agree that not doing so was doing it wrong.

wait...no one tested this yet?! This is all speculation?!

You mean someone didn't instantly pop one day after the update in full Bale+2?! *cracks the whip*

"To obstruct or delay the progress of.
v.intr.
To interfere with action or progress."


Read for comprehension instead of trying to save face. By full timing gear that is inferior to what you could be using, you are both hindering their progress and leeching off their effort.



I'm talking about the fact that you consider yourself and your desires more important than those of the people who's efforts you rely on to gain gear. It's a selfish, arrogant way to play the game, because it detracts from the enjoyment and success of others. It's insulting to the other players around you that you would consider their time worth so little that you would waste it for what you admit are entirely pointless reasons.


I'm not butthurt at all, all I did was point out that if you full time Bale you're gimp by choice. You're the one who reached for the Bengay and went defensive trying to justify your gimp choices. The chances that you would come close to on par with a correctly geared player while using full Bale are laughable.


What exactly do I need to get over? I made a single comment and you spent two pages trying to save face. Pretty much every other person in this thread agreed with me, so it's not me acting like I'm better than you or anyone else. It's not even about it at all.

It's the community acknowledging that your idea is indefensibly flawed, and by the standards of the player base, gimp.

Are you referring to the Occasional HP to ATTACK bounus?

Fine i'll ask again and break it down for me so I can answer every little point.

What haven't people explained to you yet? I'll try to do it.

So why not benefit from it? I can understand, to some extent, not wanting to have gear swaps for every possible JA, Spell, Idle, Kite or whatever use you may find.

But simplified, a DD should at the very least have a TP and a WS set, and Fulltiming Bale set negatively affects both simply because it cuts off most of those 2 sets' purposes and potentials.

No one said the set was bad. We all said Fulltiming it as a whole set is bad

Uh, I thought that's what you were referring to.

I thought some initial testing on the first 3 parts of the Bale set had already been done by that super DRK taru who proved them to be a flat increase in attack of some sort?

I can't remember where I read that. All I remember is she tested the set on low mobs wielding a signet staff and noticed the occasional damage increase that was equivalent to having higher attack or something.

I'm not trolling, I'm actually trying to find that topic

*Edit - And here it is:

Testing was done on that a while back. Damage is multiplied by your HP% at a low proc rate.

Oh, I totally forgot about that... Just need to see the full set then?

Imo, I'm not going to put my hopes in that effect to justify an overextensive use of the armor as a set. The effect from the full set will probably give a 5% boost. Knowing SE, a 10% increase would be nearly unthinkable

The only possible use I can even think of to fulltime the set would be like... an apoc in aftermath, I don't even.

I'm amazed you guys argued with him for so long, he's obviously a special snowflake and not a word will change his mind.

He seems to have calmed down at the very least, and if 1 can't reach someone's thoughts, perhaps someone else can ;p

The set bonus should be very interesting. The ability to use 3/5 should give the benefit of it's occasional procs while still mix/matching to maximize overall gear effectiveness. If there is a cumulative extra bonus to using all of the pieces in tandem, it should prove very interesting for some of the other sets as well.

I honestly hope it won't though, given how overpowered it would be on some of the other sets (War's double damage double attacks stacks with crits, Cor triple damage qds, Mnk's augmented kick attacks, etc) it might actually cause the divide between other dds and Drk to expand.

I agree. I'm just merely curious about the set bonus, good or not. WAR and MNK got gypped on their body pieces, as well as WAR hands (MNK hands are decent), so it's likely they won't use anything other than Ebody Build/Usukane Mix.

On a complementary note, have new weaponskills been added?

I'd have to disagree Ravager's body. Since War already cap fstr and ddex with RR/VV, the War body is the single best tp option they have available in Abyssea. If you could 5 hit with them, Aurum and Askar were already superior choices to EBody in Abyssea, and Ravager's beats both.

It allows a 5 hit with fewer of the pieces (Attila's for example) that a War would otherwise have to settle for otherwise while giving more attack than the other Aurum or Askar, which is handy when Berserk/Stalwarts are down.

War hands are rather meh though.

Not that I'm aware of.

Dont forget the haste+2 body!

Warrior can cap haste using head/legs/feet af3+2!

Timarli is now even more useless than it was before

A topped off WAR should probably look something like this

Holy crap that tiara.... FORGET MY PREVIOUS POST.

Now to hope the stats aren't a mistranslation from the Japanese version