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 Fenrir.Kut
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By Fenrir.Kut 2012-04-12 12:04:09
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Bismarck.Zagen said: »
I had a couple questions I can't really figure out what's better as I progress toward the best gear options.

So My questions are based on this set:
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1) Is thunder belt better than beir?
2) After I get thunder gorget is the answer to 1 still true?

fTP carries over to all hits so Ele.Gorget/Belt will be best.
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-04-12 12:36:29
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Fenrir.Kut said: »
Bismarck.Zagen said: »
I had a couple questions I can't really figure out what's better as I progress toward the best gear options. So My questions are based on this set:
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1) Is thunder belt better than beir? 2) After I get thunder gorget is the answer to 1 still true?
fTP carries over to all hits so Ele.Gorget/Belt will be best.


Thats incorrect. FTP on Shoha just effects the first hit.
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-04-12 12:39:04
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Odin.Llewelyn said: »
Just wanted to pop in and say SAM augmented relic body is unaffected by the Save TP nerf. ] WS'd multiple times to make sure it wasn't just Conserve TP and I got the same TP return every time. One thing I noticed was I got 0 TP return after a missed Tachi: Fudo so I guess the body doesn't follow the expected new rules of Save TP at all. Edit: Tested it in VW. The Save TP is added to Miser's/Discipline for a total of 50 Save TP. Miss results in 45 Save TP.



So its base TP + 5 when overwelm procs.

With Phorcys body out its pretty meh unfortunately.
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By Carbuncle.Grandthief 2012-04-12 12:39:13
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Bismarck.Zagen said: »
I had a couple questions I can't really figure out what's better as I progress toward the best gear options.

So My questions are based on this set:
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1) Is thunder belt better than beir?
2) After I get thunder gorget is the answer to 1 still true?
1) Yes.
2) Yes.

Edit: I forgot to specify that this is true only if you WS with less than 200% TP (since you're using TP Bonus GK).
With more than 200% TP it depends on whether or not you can profit a lot from the accuracy.
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By Fenrir.Kut 2012-04-12 12:39:34
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Really? I thought it was the same as Resolution/Stardiver... Either way, it's better.
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-04-12 13:00:34
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Windbuffet > Ele belt > beir+1
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By Carbuncle.Grandthief 2012-04-12 13:05:11
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Cerberus.Taint said: »
*Windbuffet > Ele belt > beir+1
*with capped accuracy?

I've been addressing this matter here.
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By Ragnarok.Stiel 2012-04-12 13:15:26
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so when i get phorcys body,i can thrown out dat ace mail?
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By Carbuncle.Grandthief 2012-04-12 13:20:56
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Yea.
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-04-12 13:21:06
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A mob needs 505 eva or more to make Ele. Belt > Windbuffet.

That is a hell of a lot more then Fodder and thats without any VW buffs or meds.
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By Carbuncle.Grandthief 2012-04-12 13:23:53
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Cerberus.Taint said: »
A mob needs 505 eva or more to make Ele. Belt > Windbuffet.

That is a hell of a lot more then Fodder and thats without any VW buffs or meds.
That is why I have been suggesting ele belt for higher VW content mainly.

Edit: If Shoha weren't multihit, I wouldn't worry so much about accuracy.
But the fact of the matter is that accuracy won't always be capped now, especially if buffs get dispelled and you receive debuffs.
It's also worth to mention that the better your WS set gets, the more accuracy you will drop (in most cases).
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By Bismarck.Zagen 2012-04-12 13:28:04
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Awesome thanks for clearing that up ^^
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-04-12 13:53:54
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Carbuncle.Grandthief said: »
Cerberus.Taint said: »
A mob needs 505 eva or more to make Ele. Belt > Windbuffet. That is a hell of a lot more then Fodder and thats without any VW buffs or meds.
That is why I have been suggesting ele belt for higher VW content mainly. Edit: If Shoha weren't multihit, I wouldn't worry so much about accuracy. But the fact of the matter is that accuracy won't always be capped now, especially if buffs get dispelled and you receive debuffs. It's also worth to mention that the better your WS set gets, the more accuracy you will drop (in most cases).


Going to respectfully disagree, with 3 atmacites and using Ig eva, Windbuffet is going to pull ahead. Even if everything is dispeled the very slight loss in 2nd swing hit rate isn't worth 2 macro sets for the 95%+ of the time ACC is not a problem.
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By Carbuncle.Grandthief 2012-04-12 14:01:16
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Mind sharing your spreadsheet, so I can check for myself?

I seem to have an outdated one because I'm getting 92.5% WS-Hitrate against Qilin already and Ig-Alima is a lot more evasive.
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-04-12 14:41:09
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Carbuncle.Grandthief said: »
Mind sharing your spreadsheet, so I can check for myself? I seem to have an outdated one because I'm getting 92.5% WS-Hitrate against Qilin already and Ig-Alima is a lot more evasive.


I custom edit mine.

Ig estimate based on 50ish parses on DRK. (DRK is good because of all the flexibility with ACC)

lvl 110, 600 def, 530 eva, 120 agi, 120 vit

Add in atmacites: I currently use Valiant,Coercion,Discipline

So add 23 str, 18 dex, 15 acc, regain3


Edit: I can make Elebelt come out on top, it is just under rare situations and is definitely not worth the effort of a second macro.
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By Carbuncle.Grandthief 2012-04-12 15:02:49
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Ah, ok.

Thank you for the values, I'll try to add them to mine as well.

Even though, adding Atmacites might be hard for me, since I'm no pro with Excel and don't know how to check the pointers (that have been used for "Atmas", for example) for including their values into the calculations, in order to duplicate that process.

Can also PM me, if anyone wants to help me with that.
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-04-12 15:11:36
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Carbuncle.Grandthief said: »
Ah, ok. Thank you for the values, I'll try to add them to mine as well. Even though, adding Atmacites might be hard for me, since I'm no pro with Excel and don't know how to check the pointers (that have been used for "Atmas", for example) for including their values into the calculations, in order to duplicate that process. Can also PM me, if anyone wants to help me with that.


I just edited abyssea atmas to reflect the VW atma. Just be sure to 0 out the cruor buffs.
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By Carbuncle.Grandthief 2012-04-12 15:15:45
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That, indeed, is a way better solution for the time being.

Thanks a lot. ^^
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By Ragnarok.Evihime 2012-05-17 20:55:47
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Avant +1 or twilight mail?
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By Shiva.Paulu 2012-05-17 21:03:02
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Avant +1
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By Ragnarok.Evihime 2012-05-17 21:11:03
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Oki TY, when im done with Kantonotachi ill post my WS/TP set so u tell me what I can upgrade o/
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By Ragnarok.Evihime 2012-05-17 21:16:16
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This is Shoha

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By Shiva.Paulu 2012-05-17 21:22:00
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Looks good. +1 the head and the ear when possible. If Neo-Nyzle gear is within reach then Phorcy's body and hands.

Also I think Atheling is supposed to be better for Shoha. I read that somewhere in these forums. Someone can verify hopefully because I suck at math. :D
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By Ragnarok.Evihime 2012-05-17 21:52:39
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Im getting SAM geared just to do neo nyzul lol, but ill be on thaumas first ^^
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By Titan.Bulgarath 2012-05-22 06:02:34
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Hi there, can somone help me to improve my shoha WS build? At this point I feel its pretty decent, but there's always room for improvement right? Apologies for posting my gear just in text and not as a picture. Please help and thank you.

Weapon: Kantanotachi
Grip: Rose Strap
Ammo: Thew Bomblet
Head: Twilight Helm
Neck: Snow Gorget
Ear1 and 2: Bushi and Brutal
Body: Ace's Mail vs Twilight Mail(have both)
Hands: Heafoc Mitts
Ring1 and 2: Pyrosoul and Rajas
Back: Unkai AF3 back
Waist: Snow Gorget
Legs: Avant +1
Feet: SAMv3 +2

Once again thank you to anyone who takes some time to help me out. I have no problem putting the effort into any suggestions, that's what this game is about after all. Hehehe.
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By Asura.Kaisuko 2012-05-22 06:11:59
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Titan.Bulgarath said: »
Hi there, can somone help me to improve my shoha WS build? At this point I feel its pretty decent, but there's always room for improvement right? Apologies for posting my gear just in text and not as a picture. Please help and thank you.

Weapon: Kantanotachi
Grip: Rose Strap
Ammo: Thew Bomblet
Head: Twilight Helm
Neck: Snow Gorget
Ear1 and 2: Bushi and Brutal
Body: Ace's Mail vs Twilight Mail(have both)
Hands: Heafoc Mitts
Ring1 and 2: Pyrosoul and Rajas
Back: Unkai AF3 back
Waist: Snow Gorget
Legs: Avant +1
Feet: SAMv3 +2

Once again thank you to anyone who takes some time to help me out. I have no problem putting the effort into any suggestions, that's what this game is about after all. Hehehe.
Don't think you should have a use for rose strap, and correct me if I'm wrong but snow doesn't work with Shoha.
Still not 100% on the consensus, but I think Atheling beats Unaki back.
For ears, Bushi to moonshade or vulcan's pearl.
Ace's will beat Twilight.
And I think Avant hands could be an upgrade from Heafoc.
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By Titan.Bulgarath 2012-05-22 15:47:25
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Ack you're right. Somehow at some point in the past month or so i mixed up my fudo gorget/belt with my shoha breeze belt/gorget set.....deeeeeerp. Also thank you for the other advice. I really appreciate it. Can anyone resolve the advice on atheling vs unkai segimino on sam ws please. Thank you. ^^
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-05-22 15:49:40
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Unkai.
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By Sylph.Decimus 2012-05-22 15:58:47
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Is this about as good as it gets?
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