Sam Gear Lvl 99
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Sam gear lvl 99
Do you even use armageddon? Wtf does your cor look like lol?
Good to know you can't read either, it sort of makes this whole thing easier to understand and offers clarity as to why you're being so bullheaded.
Here, let me help you since you don't seem to understand that this has only a remote effect on COR for the benefit of their entire party, you know, that other part of their job that they're supposed to be doing, support: Valefor.Prothescar said: » As for COR, it's a very simple procedure. They can give the party the superior buff first, then miser's, then later they can give themselves tactician's. It's only a couple of posts prior, but just making sure I'm clear. tacticians roll is extremely overrated, and it mostly benefits the cor more than it does any other DD. unless maybe if you have a 7hit drk in your party lol.
3/tick isn't going to beat a 30%+ attk boost to your dot/ws's. not when your getting a 3hit in voidwatch. and if your doing it right, i'm pretty sure you will have 100 or more tp in ~6 seconds, which pretty much makes tacts roll just plain silly, and a waste of a useful roll/buff for the party. i'll tell you a story, i went and joined a pug Uptala group the other day, i politely asked the cor to give misers/chaos instead of misers/tact, and they laughed in my face and pretty much told me i didn't know what i was talking about and that I was the only one to benefit from not getting tact roll lol. so i forced the alliance leader to switch pts with me and i joined the DD party that had a brd instead. i promptly parsed 1st place with 25% (ish) on that uptala lol. (i still have the parse if u wanna see it ;o inb4 lolparses) edit- i would also like to mention that incase this is a counter arguement, cor with wildfire does indeed do alot of dmg in vw's. but unless you have multiple cors and a rng in the party (and even then) you are still benefiting from it more than the other 4~ DD in your party, and slowing your party down and leading to a possible wipe in many situations where killspeed is a factor.
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Thanks for admitting it.
Fairy.Ghaleon said: » tacticians roll is extremely overrated, and it mostly benefits the cor more than it does any other DD. unless maybe if you have a 7hit drk in your party lol. 3/tick isn't going to beat a 30%+ attk boost to your dot/ws's. not when your getting a 3hit in voidwatch. and if your doing it right, i'm pretty sure you will have 100 or more tp in ~6 seconds, which pretty much makes tacts roll just plain silly, and a waste of a useful roll/buff for the party. i'll tell you a story, i went and joined a pug Uptala group the other day, i politely asked the cor to give misers/chaos instead of misers/tact, and they laughed in my face and pretty much told me i didn't know what i was talking about and that I was the only one to benefit from not getting tact roll lol. so i forced the alliance leader to switch pts with me and i joined the DD party that had a brd instead. i promptly parsed 1st place with 25% (ish) on that uptala lol. (i still have the parse if u wanna see it ;o inb4 lolparses) edit- i would also like to mention that incase this is a counter arguement, cor with wildfire does indeed do alot of dmg in vw's. but unless you have multiple cors and a rng in the party (and even then) you are still benefiting from it more than the other 4~ DD in your party, and slowing your party down and leading to a possible wipe in many situations where killspeed is a factor. Sometimes I have TP before my macro even lets me engage a weaponskill. It's annoying :C I only pop Dusty Wings to refresh Lv3 AM too, can't really afford the item delay.
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Valefor.Prothescar said: » Fairy.Ghaleon said: » tacticians roll is extremely overrated, and it mostly benefits the cor more than it does any other DD. unless maybe if you have a 7hit drk in your party lol. 3/tick isn't going to beat a 30%+ attk boost to your dot/ws's. not when your getting a 3hit in voidwatch. and if your doing it right, i'm pretty sure you will have 100 or more tp in ~6 seconds, which pretty much makes tacts roll just plain silly, and a waste of a useful roll/buff for the party. i'll tell you a story, i went and joined a pug Uptala group the other day, i politely asked the cor to give misers/chaos instead of misers/tact, and they laughed in my face and pretty much told me i didn't know what i was talking about and that I was the only one to benefit from not getting tact roll lol. so i forced the alliance leader to switch pts with me and i joined the DD party that had a brd instead. i promptly parsed 1st place with 25% (ish) on that uptala lol. (i still have the parse if u wanna see it ;o inb4 lolparses) edit- i would also like to mention that incase this is a counter arguement, cor with wildfire does indeed do alot of dmg in vw's. but unless you have multiple cors and a rng in the party (and even then) you are still benefiting from it more than the other 4~ DD in your party, and slowing your party down and leading to a possible wipe in many situations where killspeed is a factor. Sometimes I have TP before my macro even lets me engage a weaponskill. It's annoying :C I only pop Dusty Wings to refresh Lv3 AM too, can't really afford the item delay. yea i have the same problem, i even thought about using fudo over shoha if i have double marches /haste/hasso up LOL. (cause much shorter animation, could potentially get out an extra ws or 2 before w/e we are zerging dies lol.) Fairy.Ghaleon said: » tacticians roll is extremely overrated, and it mostly benefits the cor more than it does any other DD. unless maybe if you have a 7hit drk in your party lol. 3/tick isn't going to beat a 30%+ attk boost to your dot/ws's. not when your getting a 3hit in voidwatch. and if your doing it right, i'm pretty sure you will have 100 or more tp in ~6 seconds, which pretty much makes tacts roll just plain silly, and a waste of a useful roll/buff for the party. i'll tell you a story, i went and joined a pug Uptala group the other day, i politely asked the cor to give misers/chaos instead of misers/tact, and they laughed in my face and pretty much told me i didn't know what i was talking about and that I was the only one to benefit from not getting tact roll lol. so i forced the alliance leader to switch pts with me and i joined the DD party that had a brd instead. i promptly parsed 1st place with 25% (ish) on that uptala lol. (i still have the parse if u wanna see it ;o inb4 lolparses) edit- i would also like to mention that incase this is a counter arguement, cor with wildfire does indeed do alot of dmg in vw's. but unless you have multiple cors and a rng in the party (and even then) you are still benefiting from it more than the other 4~ DD in your party, and slowing your party down and leading to a possible wipe in many situations where killspeed is a factor. Valefor.Prothescar said: » As for COR, it's a very simple procedure. They can give the party the superior buff first, then miser's, then later they can give themselves tactician's. Valefor.Prothescar said: » As for COR, it's a very simple procedure. They can give the party the superior buff first, then miser's, then later they can give themselves tactician's. Valefor.Prothescar said: » As for COR, it's a very simple procedure. They can give the party the superior buff first, then miser's, then later they can give themselves tactician's. Valefor.Prothescar said: » As for COR, it's a very simple procedure. They can give the party the superior buff first, then miser's, then later they can give themselves tactician's. Valefor.Prothescar said: » As for COR, it's a very simple procedure. They can give the party the superior buff first, then miser's, then later they can give themselves tactician's. Valefor.Prothescar said: » As for COR, it's a very simple procedure. They can give the party the superior buff first, then miser's, then later they can give themselves tactician's. Valefor.Prothescar said: » As for COR, it's a very simple procedure. They can give the party the superior buff first, then miser's, then later they can give themselves tactician's. Valefor.Prothescar said: » As for COR, it's a very simple procedure. They can give the party the superior buff first, then miser's, then later they can give themselves tactician's. Also no, your Wildfire is not benefiting the group more than the 2-3 other DDs in your party.
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Is when they're weak and don't have my rolls anymore haha... while i sit there with pax and wildfire spam hahahahaha.
Summary
WS dmg (i usually don't post parses so i forgot what to do :x hope this works lol) edit- almost all the DD's who parsed under 10% were in the cor's party.
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Fupafighters said: » Is when they're weak and don't have my rolls anymore haha... while i sit there with pax and wildfire spam hahahahaha. And the good melees still parse higher :D I'm not an elitist lol...idc if people do it better than me.
Fupafighters said: » I'm not an elitist lol...idc if people do it better than me.
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1. The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources.
2. a. The sense of entitlement enjoyed by such a group or class. b. Control, rule, or domination by such a group or class Thats what i think it means... lol... Which has nothing to do with ongoing discussion...it's not an elite concept that sam benefits more from attack boost then regain. Even cor gets more out of chaos when using Last Stand. And certainly doing three rolls isn't elite, doing 4 rolls rotations was the damn standard at 75.
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Phoenix.Sehachan said: » Which has nothing to do with ongoing discussion...it's not an elite concept that sam benefits more from attack boost then regain. Even cor gets more out of chaos when using Last Stand. And certainly doing three rolls isn't elite, doing 4 rolls rotations was the damn standard at 75. And belive it or not, even when doing 4 roll rotations, you could still deal damage between rolls! :o I actually enjoyed doing that back at 75, it really kept me busy. Not like I was expecting to be a top-tier DD and parse up top anyways >_>
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Its elitist when he feels superior and right in every way and cant accept other peoples beliefs lol. I cant use last stand lol...
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Man you guys just aren't getting it :/ Not everyone has freakin monarchs and regain atmacite because of their lack of effort...meaning they dont benefit like we do from our 3 hits and 100 tp in 6 seconds. So in those situations, dont you think maybe that 4 regain may help them parse better? I can def see how chaos and fighters roll may do better...but until everyone learns to do their damn clears, tacts will be the better choice for me.
4tic regain might actually do NOTHING at times.
Chaos will always work. There's probably a bigger chance that SAM roll is gonna shave off hit in your build with save tp and other sources of regain, than tact roll? I never really saw what's so zomg-amazing about tacts, other than to build tp before a fight =/ Or if you'r like a relic rng\yoichi sam that dont wanna shoot normal shots at all to never pull hate.
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It really is nicer than your imagining it lol... Its not like thats all i use lol... >.> Its just favored in most situations because others dont have the temps or hp to sit on the mob fulltime like us ffs...
In reality tho, if a melee don't have temps, should they really be a melee in the run at all? =/
It really does make a massive difference. Lol this is FF...Ive seen way too many people without even fools/fanatics going on pil and qilin runs...you cant just assume everyone has godly gear lol. My sam is just missing moonshade, gotta +1 my mekira ota and get aces mail.. Im just saying...i have only seen one sam on my server with a ws set as good as mine and i buff his with fighters/misers lol... so maybe your server is 10x better and there is no need for tacticians...but mine doesnt offer that much half the time.
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