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I have 90 gandiva, should I make Anni?
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 Asura.Hotsoups
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By Asura.Hotsoups 2012-04-24 13:29:24
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Bismarck.Sylow said: »
Also, people ceep crying about mages in PUGS, but the thing is, at least in VW, I tend to find that WHM is the slot where a "mediocre" player can do the least harm. Are you people inviting AFK WHMs to your VW alliance? Don't get me wrong, there's no diminishing the value of a WHM that goes above and beyond, but it almost takes effort to not play the job at "functioning" level.

And yet there are still white mages that fall into the "Non-functioning" level.

Ragnarok does more damage.

Apoc does more than adequate damage for any situation currently and has utility.
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By Fenrir.Jinjo 2012-04-24 13:30:26
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DNC sub has utility. Should I sub DNC?
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By Asura.Hotsoups 2012-04-24 13:31:03
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Now you're just being silly.
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By Fenrir.Minjo 2012-04-24 13:32:34
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Asura.Hotsoups said: »
...Apoc does more than adequate damage for any situation currently...

You just described hundreds of weapons.
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By Fenrir.Jinjo 2012-04-24 13:32:45
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WHM sub allows me to cure myself and doesn't lower my damage too much. Is that okay, too?
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By Fenrir.Jinjo 2012-04-24 13:34:34
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So, I was thinking about switching to Great Axe for the utility that Full Break would offer myself and people playing with me.

Thoughts???????????
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By Quetzalcoatl.Dawnn 2012-04-24 13:36:43
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The amount of derail this thread has is astonishing...
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By Asura.Hotsoups 2012-04-24 13:39:12
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Fenrir.Minjo said: »
Asura.Hotsoups said: »
...Apoc does more than adequate damage for any situation currently...
You just described hundreds of weapons.

Well how about that?
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By Fenrir.Minjo 2012-04-24 13:39:34
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Agreed. Those who listen to their reasonable faculties should have gotten the point by now, and those who abandon them pre-argument have nothing to gain from proper refutation.
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By Asura.Hotsoups 2012-04-24 13:41:59
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Fenrir.Jinjo said: »
So, I was thinking about switching to Great Axe for the utility that Full Break would offer myself and people playing with me. Thoughts???????????

Way to be a team player!
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By Fenrir.Minjo 2012-04-24 13:42:27
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Asura.Hotsoups said: »
Fenrir.Minjo said: »
Asura.Hotsoups said: »
...Apoc does more than adequate damage for any situation currently...
You just described hundreds of weapons.

Well how about that?

You cannot refute a "which is better" by asserting that all options are sufficient. That's called a straw man.
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By Asura.Hotsoups 2012-04-24 13:44:18
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Pffft you and your straw man.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Dawnn 2012-04-24 13:44:18
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So back on topic!
A friend of mine has an anni, don't know if it is 99 or not, anyways in a particular Qilin fight I saw a 15,000 barrage...

Don't know if that is good/bad by anni standards as I have never been interested/read much on ranger. I assume that the damage was sylvan +2 set bonus and the gun's 3x damage? Again I really know nothing of ranger but it was kind of eye opening to see that.
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By Leviathan.Snakeslice 2012-04-24 13:45:11
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Amano > Masa
Just going to leave this here
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By Fenrir.Minjo 2012-04-24 13:46:35
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Quetzalcoatl.Dawnn said: »
So back on topic!
A friend of mine has an anni, don't know if it is 99 or not, anyways in a particular Qilin fight I saw a 15,000 barrage...

Don't know if that is good/bad by anni standards as I have never been interested/read much on ranger. I assume that the damage was sylvan +2 set bonus and the gun's 3x damage? Again I really know nothing of ranger but it was kind of eye opening to see that.

That can happen without the AF3 set bonus, but you're otherwise correct. I believe the improved rate for gun is now ~11%. Pretty snazzy.
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-04-24 13:48:42
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Quetzalcoatl.Dawnn said: »
The amount of derail this thread has is astonishing...
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2012-04-24 13:51:47
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chocobo wand
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2012-04-24 13:54:10
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Fenrir.Minjo said: »
Asura.Hotsoups said: »
Fenrir.Minjo said: »
Asura.Hotsoups said: »
...Apoc does more than adequate damage for any situation currently...
You just described hundreds of weapons.

Well how about that?

You cannot refute a "which is better" by asserting that all options are sufficient. That's called a straw man.

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By alyria 2012-04-24 14:22:09
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what is this thread about again?...
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-04-24 14:23:30
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Aly Saxena said: »
what is this thread about again?...

pie chart explains it all
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By Fenrir.Jinjo 2012-04-24 14:24:30
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(Archaic) Chill.
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-04-24 14:35:31
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Fenrir.Jinjo said: »
(Archaic) Chill.


Quiet Minjo, you're just a meanie-poo with no respect for experience!
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By alyria 2012-04-24 14:37:38
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enough, get back to topic. i this thread is done, let me know op and i will lock.
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By Cerberus.Maeldiar 2012-04-24 14:48:47
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Yep I've decided on Annihilator sorry for the ***storm in the thread lol.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2012-04-24 14:59:45
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Aly Saxena said: »
what is this thread about again?...

Cerberus.Maeldiar said: »
Topic. Basically I'm worried about the hard work my ls and I put into the bow and it collecting dust if I make an anni. I don't want 2 weapons competing for the same niche. Also with hate as it is I figure I'm going to cap either way when decoy shot is down, or am i wrong on that?

I think he was asking a question about hate caps... But he knows perfectly well that he will stand around and wait for decoy shot to come back up no matter what weapon he has equipped....or die like a dog...or wait until the mob is almost dead and then blow it up.

I can't imagine anyone in his ls caring enough to notice him not using a particular weapon...But instead of asking them directly what they think, he made the classic mistake of posting his indecision on the ffxiah forums.

Then we all started screeching like howler monkeys and flinging poo at each other and then you walked in and said....
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-04-24 15:36:55
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Fenrir.Minjo said: »
Cerberus.Tikal said: »
Totally serious. I find you to be a total fraud Minjo. You attempt to bully people into your perspective, and ridicule anyone who doesn't play by your rules, is nothing but a reflection of your own ego.

There's nothing fraudulent about removing extraneous detail.

If one wishes to show that Apocalypse "has greater utility" than Ragnarok, one needs to prove that there are things that one can do with an Apocalypse that one cannot do with a Ragnarok.

As someone without either weapon who plays incredibly aggressively on paper-thin DD jobs with other incredibly aggressive players who also play on paper-thin DD jobs, I can prove that argument to be entirely invalid.

If you all care to continue flailing your arms in the air screaming "utility!", do so reasonably, otherwise no, you're the one who's "bullying people into an opinion".

We'll keep circle-jerking, you enjoy handling yourself.


You are an idiot.

I have Rag and Apoc and the gear to make them work. I am fully aware of the ups and downs of both. If a DRK was picking one weapon they would be a fool for picking Rag over Apoc.

I have some pretty awesome parses of me(apoc) and Shanian(rag) going head to head yesterday on Morta if anyone wants to see them. He is the only DRK to beat me in a parse. (same pty buffs gear etc)
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