Viable 5 Hit?

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 Valefor.Omerta
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By Valefor.Omerta 2012-05-01 11:23:57  


Looking for a viable 5 hit to compliment my shiny OA2 Chauve
Thought?
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By Sylph.Decimus 2012-05-01 11:32:11  
Needing 45 store tp by my calculations, assuming /sam:

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By Valefor.Omerta 2012-05-01 11:38:27  
I was using FFXI Calc. I wont be getting Phorcys anytime soon :(
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By Bahamut.Colonelace 2012-05-01 11:54:22  
Is OAT the way to go now for someone not building an empyrean/mythic/relic? I'm still using empousa pole since I got lazy with fire str path and geode price don't motivate me much either... Also I need to figure out how to nake x hit build in my head without ffxicalc what's equation? Or the new top gear for a 492. Phocys is not an issue in my case our group has done 1 100 win and timed out 2 times :( but we can manage eventually
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By Sylph.Decimus 2012-05-01 11:59:22  
Calculating Store TP



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By Fenrir.Motenten 2012-05-01 12:16:25  
Assuming Stardiver as weaponskill and /sam:

TP: Rose Grip, Brutal, AF3+2 body, Rajas, Tyrant, Goading
WS: Rose Grip, Brutal, AF3+2 body, Rajas

is about the optimal amount of Store TP. You can get tiny improvements by adding more Store TP above that (eg: Phorcys pants), but most of the value will be from whatever other stats are on the gear.

So for your purposes, Hagneia Stone does almost nothing; it's essentially identical to a Thew Bomblet, and against difficult stuff you'd be better off with Potestas. By itself it's not sufficient to allow swapping Rose to Pole/Duplus.

Rheic +3 pants would be enough to swap out Rose to Pole/Duplus and gain a bit. Rheic+2 and Hagneia would be sufficient as well, though the gain would be pretty small.
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By Valefor.Omerta 2012-05-01 12:27:28  
I dont have acsess to rose yet, would a tactical mantle/pole grip help me much? or keep haneia switch pole for rose and hope on stardiver hits?
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By Siren.Ihm 2012-05-01 12:43:29  
Your TP set for a 5hit is dependent on your WS set remember.

This is my current TP and WS set, still haven't got any Nyzul v2 gear yet though ; ;. This allows for a perfect 5hit assuming the first hit and a second one land. Not perfect by far, but still. Phorcys will allow me to remake my TP and WS sets completely, but still.

TP
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By Lakshmi.Rearden 2012-05-01 12:58:59  
Only need 13STP to get a 20TP return from 3hits during weaponskill, most of that stuff isn't necessary.
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By Valefor.Omerta 2012-05-01 13:06:17  
Would there be any relevant differance (beides crit/accuracy) on Drakes and Stardiver?
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By Lakshmi.Rearden 2012-05-01 13:10:34  
Drakes needs a lot of attack, so it shouldn't be used otherwise unless that has been overcome.
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By Valefor.Omerta 2012-05-01 13:19:49  
Awwwww But Drakes looks cool. So Basically a Drg has to 5/5 Stardiver now? (Unless in abyysea of course)
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By Fenrir.Motenten 2012-05-01 13:22:40  
Actually, doing some more tweaking, Pole/Hagneia may be sufficient for your purposes. Would suggest changing Ace's to Calmecac, though.

And no, no real gearing difference between Drakes and Stardiver. (and yes, Drakes should be Abyssea-only unless you have Ryunohige or certain specific buffs such as Champion's Drink)
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By Valefor.Omerta 2012-05-01 13:27:45  
I wish i had Ryou ^ ^
I actually use Bestia breeches, not aces (but i coulndt show the haste value and thought maybe people wouldnt realise) Calmecac would drop haste to 25, would the dbl/trip attack increase DOT a sufficient amount for that haste to be irrelevant?
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2012-05-01 15:24:18  
Yes it would, remember haste actually caps at 25% but because of the binary calculations that the game uses to calculate certain aspects, 25% often can in actuality amount to 24.3%-24.7% depending on which pieces are used and how many there are etc.

In general in lower haste levels 1 DA or 1 TA would be a pretty close draw against 1 haste, but 2-3% increase in each is no contest. If the 1% haste is actually closer to .5% as it is in the 25-26% increase, the DA or TA bonuses are miles ahead.
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By Valefor.Omerta 2012-05-01 15:43:45  


Updated, better?`
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By Ragnarok.Nemesio 2012-05-01 15:55:03  
That new haste +7 belt, and Phorcy head would be better.
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By Valefor.Omerta 2012-05-01 15:58:05  
Ruled out Phorcys, havent even attempted it yet
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By Bahamut.Colonelace 2012-05-01 18:40:53  
ok so hows this i just got home i was in school earlier and this is what i worked out for my sets with the pole i have


TP

moonshade has regain and att

WS

heca feet will be augmented for max STR

this will be fore stardiver and switch rancor in and anguinus for drakes
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By Fenrir.Minjo 2012-05-01 18:45:55  
Nothing that involves a regain earring is a good idea.
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By Siren.Ihm 2012-05-02 08:15:53  
Lakshmi.Rearden said: »
Only need 13STP to get a 20TP return from 3hits during weaponskill, most of that stuff isn't necessary.

I try to assume the least of my WS's, not that I have a problem with accuracy, but still.
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2012-05-02 08:20:22  
Siren.Ihm said: »
Lakshmi.Rearden said: »
Only need 13STP to get a 20TP return from 3hits during weaponskill, most of that stuff isn't necessary.
I try to assume the least of my WS's, not that I have a problem with accuracy, but still.

It's good practice for the most part. A 1-hit ws only has 95% chance to land even with overkill accuracy. Each hit after the first also has a 5% chance to miss. Realistically you should be landing all 4 hits on drakes/star around 80% of the time at best.
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By Siren.Ihm 2012-05-02 12:11:57  
Ragnarok.Ashman said: »
Siren.Ihm said: »
Lakshmi.Rearden said: »
Only need 13STP to get a 20TP return from 3hits during weaponskill, most of that stuff isn't necessary.
I try to assume the least of my WS's, not that I have a problem with accuracy, but still.

It's good practice for the most part. A 1-hit ws only has 95% chance to land even with overkill accuracy. Each hit after the first also has a 5% chance to miss. Realistically you should be landing all 4 hits on drakes/star around 80% of the time at best.

Realistically XI hates me and with capped accuracy I still miss 99% of attacks D:.

It's not like changing my Tyrants to a Pyrosoul is gonna make or break my damage really, so if the extra few sTP ensure more consistency on my 5hit then so be it!

That being said, I /WAR 6hit when I do VW.
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By Lakshmi.Vlorsutes 2012-05-05 02:49:04  


As long as you weaponskill in Rajas and Brutal, you'll be able to use just about anything else to weaponskill in and still manage to keep a true five-hit.

Alternately, if you want to use the Empyrean body in place of Porthos (food effects for the wyvern, etc), you can swap the Ogier's to Brego or Dusk +1 to maintain capped haste, and you'll maintain the same amount of +Store TP.

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By Siren.Ihm 2012-05-05 10:13:38  
Lakshmi.Vlorsutes said: »


As long as you weaponskill in Rajas and Brutal, you'll be able to use just about anything else to weaponskill in and still manage to keep a true five-hit.

Alternately, if you want to use the Empyrean body in place of Porthos (food effects for the wyvern, etc), you can swap the Ogier's to Brego or Dusk +1 to maintain capped haste, and you'll maintain the same amount of +Store TP.


Is 2 TA really better than 12STR, 10DEX, 23Acc (Negligable yeah), 1Att?
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By Bismarck.Oswin 2012-05-15 19:47:25  


So was looking at some of these sets with 492 delay lances and trying to find a set that will maximize as much as possible... came up with this for TPing, thought?

You still get to keep you 5 hit and capped haste but you also open up more slots for DDing such as second ring, ammo, and possibility your grip.



For WSing this is what I came up with but there has been a few questions I have about it however. One, for this WS set you wont maintain a true 5hit unless you proc conserve TP on either the earring or the belt, but is that worth relying on? Second, this is more for Stardiver now would it still be better to give up the belt for Drakesbane? but you are losing the Conserve TP and thus possibly losing your hit build.

Either way I'm still confused, if someone can shed some light on this for me ^_^
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By Sylph.Kelvinclein 2012-05-16 07:24:04  
I don't like Store TP much on DRG <_<... it is unreliable most of the times.

Conserve TP proc, Jump. DA/TA/QA on and off jumps. Nice to have it of course, not a priority to me tho.

Don't get me wrong, it's nice to have but hey, I play DRG/mage most of the times anyway.
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By Shiva.Galbir 2012-05-16 07:29:09  
You don't use any x-hit build?
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By Sylph.Kelvinclein 2012-05-16 07:48:59  
Rajas and Brutal? lol.. well, I woulnd't spend money on something like Hagneia stone, at least not 3-4 milion gils. My gearset isn't finished yet.. I'll see what I can change when I get the gear I want(r/e anyway).
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By Bahamut.Itze 2012-05-16 07:52:15  
He doesn't gear for anything really. It's sad. All the more reason for keeping the loldrg title.
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