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 Alexander.Xgalahadx
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By Alexander.Xgalahadx 2011-03-23 03:13:07
Shiva.Cerderic said: also laugh at me as you will, i don't have any WS gear. i sold it all before the level cap went to 80. and i don't intend to buy anything until we're all 99. call me stupid, but it saved me millions of gil. that and DRG isn't my main focus anymore. the fact that i'm WSing in low STR may have change the impact of DA for my Drakesbane, but i definitely don't get the same average in Drakesbane subbing SAM. /WAR my average drakesbane is about 15% better. of course i am outputting quite a few less. /war will give you better ws numbers per ws but /sam will always give you a better ws total. Which sounds better 3 ws for 1.2k or 2 for 1.4k? (just an example.)
By seiri 2011-03-23 03:13:18
Shiva.Cerderic said: another issue is that on my DRG i rarely get to fulltime melee anymore. and when i do, the monster doesn't last long enough for 10% haste to proc. i doubt i swing 10 times in any regular fight.
...haste taking time to proc was a joke....you know this right?
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By Shiva.Cerderic 2011-03-23 03:13:34
Shiva.Cerderic said: another issue is that on my DRG i rarely get to fulltime melee anymore. and when i do, the monster doesn't last long enough for 10% haste to proc. i doubt i swing 10 times in any regular fight.
** i mean proc another WS, i might swing a total of 1 or 2 more times
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By seiri 2011-03-23 03:14:04
Sylph.Tigerwoods said: Shiva.Cerderic said: also laugh at me as you will, i don't have any WS gear. i sold it all before the level cap went to 80. and i don't intend to buy anything until we're all 99. call me stupid, but it saved me millions of gil. that and DRG isn't my main focus anymore. the fact that i'm WSing in low STR may have change the impact of DA for my Drakesbane, but i definitely don't get the same average in Drakesbane subbing SAM. /WAR my average drakesbane is about 15% better. of course i am outputting quite a few less. Do yourself a player and quit playing drg if you don't have *** gear for it.
Or at least buy a basic WS set...
Edit: Or camp gears, what else u doing with ur time afterall?
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By Shiva.Cerderic 2011-03-23 03:14:14
Alexander.Xgalahadx said: Shiva.Cerderic said: also laugh at me as you will, i don't have any WS gear. i sold it all before the level cap went to 80. and i don't intend to buy anything until we're all 99. call me stupid, but it saved me millions of gil. that and DRG isn't my main focus anymore. the fact that i'm WSing in low STR may have change the impact of DA for my Drakesbane, but i definitely don't get the same average in Drakesbane subbing SAM. /WAR my average drakesbane is about 15% better. of course i am outputting quite a few less. /war will give you better ws numbers per ws but /sam will always give you a better ws total. Which sounds better 3 ws for 1.2k or 2 for 1.4k? it's not that big of a gap. maybe in a long fight. but not with what i do.
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Quetzalcoatl.Garru
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By Quetzalcoatl.Garru 2011-03-23 03:14:42
Sylph.Tigerwoods said: Shiva.Cerderic said: another issue is that on my DRG i rarely get to fulltime melee anymore. and when i do, the monster doesn't last long enough for 10% haste to proc. i doubt i swing 10 times in any regular fight. You called it
LOL... Still don't get it huh..
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2011-03-23 03:16:08
Shiva.Cerderic said: Alexander.Xgalahadx said: Shiva.Cerderic said: also laugh at me as you will, i don't have any WS gear. i sold it all before the level cap went to 80. and i don't intend to buy anything until we're all 99. call me stupid, but it saved me millions of gil. that and DRG isn't my main focus anymore. the fact that i'm WSing in low STR may have change the impact of DA for my Drakesbane, but i definitely don't get the same average in Drakesbane subbing SAM. /WAR my average drakesbane is about 15% better. of course i am outputting quite a few less. /war will give you better ws numbers per ws but /sam will always give you a better ws total. Which sounds better 3 ws for 1.2k or 2 for 1.4k? it's not that big of a gap. maybe in a long fight. but not with what i do. if you're not fighting a constant flow of mobs (yes a flow, doesn't matter how long 1 particular mob lives, move to the next one provided there is one at camp), then /sam is still better damage.
Running around between mobs? kk, meditate then. Start your fights w/ sekka ws x2.
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By Shiva.Cerderic 2011-03-23 03:16:09
seiri said: Sylph.Tigerwoods said: Shiva.Cerderic said: also laugh at me as you will, i don't have any WS gear. i sold it all before the level cap went to 80. and i don't intend to buy anything until we're all 99. call me stupid, but it saved me millions of gil. that and DRG isn't my main focus anymore. the fact that i'm WSing in low STR may have change the impact of DA for my Drakesbane, but i definitely don't get the same average in Drakesbane subbing SAM. /WAR my average drakesbane is about 15% better. of course i am outputting quite a few less. Do yourself a player and quit playing drg if you don't have *** gear for it.
Or at least buy a basic WS set... my WS gear is mostly perle. i have heca feet, lancer's legs +1, flame gorget, rajas ring. it's not like i don't swap at all. but that's a very small swap in comparison to what i wish i had. that's all i'm saying.
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Alexander.Xgalahadx
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By Alexander.Xgalahadx 2011-03-23 03:16:42
Shiva.Cerderic said: Alexander.Xgalahadx said: Shiva.Cerderic said: also laugh at me as you will, i don't have any WS gear. i sold it all before the level cap went to 80. and i don't intend to buy anything until we're all 99. call me stupid, but it saved me millions of gil. that and DRG isn't my main focus anymore. the fact that i'm WSing in low STR may have change the impact of DA for my Drakesbane, but i definitely don't get the same average in Drakesbane subbing SAM. /WAR my average drakesbane is about 15% better. of course i am outputting quite a few less. /war will give you better ws numbers per ws but /sam will always give you a better ws total. Which sounds better 3 ws for 1.2k or 2 for 1.4k? it's not that big of a gap. maybe in a long fight. but not with what i do. The length of the fight shouldn't matter. Can you explain a bit more on this point please?
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By Shiva.Cerderic 2011-03-23 03:17:52
seiri said: Sylph.Tigerwoods said: Shiva.Cerderic said: also laugh at me as you will, i don't have any WS gear. i sold it all before the level cap went to 80. and i don't intend to buy anything until we're all 99. call me stupid, but it saved me millions of gil. that and DRG isn't my main focus anymore. the fact that i'm WSing in low STR may have change the impact of DA for my Drakesbane, but i definitely don't get the same average in Drakesbane subbing SAM. /WAR my average drakesbane is about 15% better. of course i am outputting quite a few less. Do yourself a player and quit playing drg if you don't have *** gear for it.
Or at least buy a basic WS set...
Edit: Or camp gears, what else u doing with ur time afterall? mostly spend my time lately farming pop items, cruor, and abyssite
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Quetzalcoatl.Garru
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By Quetzalcoatl.Garru 2011-03-23 03:18:05
Maybe he only fights like one mob each time he logs on? IDK
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2011-03-23 03:18:40
Shiva.Cerderic said: seiri said: Sylph.Tigerwoods said: Shiva.Cerderic said: also laugh at me as you will, i don't have any WS gear. i sold it all before the level cap went to 80. and i don't intend to buy anything until we're all 99. call me stupid, but it saved me millions of gil. that and DRG isn't my main focus anymore. the fact that i'm WSing in low STR may have change the impact of DA for my Drakesbane, but i definitely don't get the same average in Drakesbane subbing SAM. /WAR my average drakesbane is about 15% better. of course i am outputting quite a few less. Do yourself a player and quit playing drg if you don't have *** gear for it.
Or at least buy a basic WS set... my WS gear is mostly perle. i have heca feet, lancer's legs +1, flame gorget, rajas ring. it's not like i don't swap at all. but that's a very small swap in comparison to what i wish i had. that's all i'm saying. Don't play drg. (or step your ***up, but I doubt that's a viable option seeing as you don't know ***about the game)
That's all I'm saying.
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By Shiva.Cerderic 2011-03-23 03:19:23
Alexander.Xgalahadx said: Shiva.Cerderic said: Alexander.Xgalahadx said: Shiva.Cerderic said: also laugh at me as you will, i don't have any WS gear. i sold it all before the level cap went to 80. and i don't intend to buy anything until we're all 99. call me stupid, but it saved me millions of gil. that and DRG isn't my main focus anymore. the fact that i'm WSing in low STR may have change the impact of DA for my Drakesbane, but i definitely don't get the same average in Drakesbane subbing SAM. /WAR my average drakesbane is about 15% better. of course i am outputting quite a few less. /war will give you better ws numbers per ws but /sam will always give you a better ws total. Which sounds better 3 ws for 1.2k or 2 for 1.4k? it's not that big of a gap. maybe in a long fight. but not with what i do. The length of the fight shouldn't matter. Can you explain a bit more on this point please? because with as i said, it is a whooping 17% increase in WS amount output, but if i don't get in 5-6 more swings than i would have, then i'm not doing an extra WS.
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By seiri 2011-03-23 03:19:47
Shiva.Cerderic said: seiri said: Sylph.Tigerwoods said: Shiva.Cerderic said: also laugh at me as you will, i don't have any WS gear. i sold it all before the level cap went to 80. and i don't intend to buy anything until we're all 99. call me stupid, but it saved me millions of gil. that and DRG isn't my main focus anymore. the fact that i'm WSing in low STR may have change the impact of DA for my Drakesbane, but i definitely don't get the same average in Drakesbane subbing SAM. /WAR my average drakesbane is about 15% better. of course i am outputting quite a few less. Do yourself a player and quit playing drg if you don't have *** gear for it.
Or at least buy a basic WS set... my WS gear is mostly perle. i have heca feet, lancer's legs +1, flame gorget, rajas ring. it's not like i don't swap at all. but that's a very small swap in comparison to what i wish i had. that's all i'm saying.
Vara helm off khalimari is a massive improvement over perle...and the acc shouldnt be an issue or you're doing it wrong. Just one piss easy piece.
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By Fenrir.Gradd 2011-03-23 03:20:35
The majority if GOOD WS gear is Rare/Ex and very easy to get using the AH and lack of gil as an excuse just shows how ignorant you really are.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2011-03-23 03:21:45
Shiva.Cerderic said: Alexander.Xgalahadx said: Shiva.Cerderic said: Alexander.Xgalahadx said: Shiva.Cerderic said: also laugh at me as you will, i don't have any WS gear. i sold it all before the level cap went to 80. and i don't intend to buy anything until we're all 99. call me stupid, but it saved me millions of gil. that and DRG isn't my main focus anymore. the fact that i'm WSing in low STR may have change the impact of DA for my Drakesbane, but i definitely don't get the same average in Drakesbane subbing SAM. /WAR my average drakesbane is about 15% better. of course i am outputting quite a few less. /war will give you better ws numbers per ws but /sam will always give you a better ws total. Which sounds better 3 ws for 1.2k or 2 for 1.4k? it's not that big of a gap. maybe in a long fight. but not with what i do. The length of the fight shouldn't matter. Can you explain a bit more on this point please? because with as i said, it is a whooping 17% increase in WS amount output, but if i don't get in 5-6 more swings than i would have, then i'm not doing an extra WS. You still end the fight w/ more tp and over time, when you swap to the next monster it carries over and will still add up to the same ratio (or if it's a long gap between fights, even more towards /sam due to meditate and sekk)
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By Shiva.Cerderic 2011-03-23 03:24:26
Sylph.Tigerwoods said: Shiva.Cerderic said: seiri said: Sylph.Tigerwoods said: Shiva.Cerderic said: also laugh at me as you will, i don't have any WS gear. i sold it all before the level cap went to 80. and i don't intend to buy anything until we're all 99. call me stupid, but it saved me millions of gil. that and DRG isn't my main focus anymore. the fact that i'm WSing in low STR may have change the impact of DA for my Drakesbane, but i definitely don't get the same average in Drakesbane subbing SAM. /WAR my average drakesbane is about 15% better. of course i am outputting quite a few less. Do yourself a player and quit playing drg if you don't have *** gear for it.
Or at least buy a basic WS set... my WS gear is mostly perle. i have heca feet, lancer's legs +1, flame gorget, rajas ring. it's not like i don't swap at all. but that's a very small swap in comparison to what i wish i had. that's all i'm saying. Don't play drg. (or step your ***up, but I doubt that's a viable option seeing as you don't know ***about the game)
That's all I'm saying. alright. i'm a little confused. i told you, i sold my WS gear. just because i'm not geared well doesn't mean i don't know what i'm doing. if i had access to more haste, i would sub SAM. if i had more access to WS gear, i'd get it. but i currently don't. i believe in constructive criticism but i haven't told you anything incorrect except the ~23% DA is a 23% increase in overall damage. I think you're overdoing it by saying i don't know ***about the game. i'm trying to explain that from my experience, /WAR has done much better than /SAM. and i'm sitting here pulling out the numbers, the delay increase etc. i'm not trying to fight with anyone against their ideas, that's why i made this post, was for input. but for some reason you just can't accept mine. my /WAR outdamages my /SAM. SORRY I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE GAME. >.>
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2011-03-23 03:26:19
ITT caps lock makes /war better than /drg.
Again if you don't have decent gear for you job, don't play it. How hard is that to understand.
I could outdamage your dragoon on my dancer or pup, hell, probably even my samurai.
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By Shiva.Cerderic 2011-03-23 03:26:22
Fenrir.Gradd said: The majority if GOOD WS gear is Rare/Ex and very easy to get using the AH and lack of gil as an excuse just shows how ignorant you really are. this doesn't make sense. i'm sure it was simply a typo but please elaborate. you cannot buy Rrare/Ex gear on the AH.
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By Unicorn.Drexler 2011-03-23 03:26:28
Fenrir.Gradd
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By Fenrir.Gradd 2011-03-23 03:27:09
Shiva.Cerderic said: my /WAR outdamages my /SAM. SORRY I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE GAME. >.>
No, it does not, you are Eyeballing and being very ignorant.
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By Shiva.Cerderic 2011-03-23 03:27:46
Sylph.Tigerwoods said: ITT caps lock makes /war better than /drg.
Again if you don't have decent gear for you job, don't play it. How hard is that to understand.
I could outdamage your dragoon on my dancer or pup, hell, probably even my samurai. well this thread is about my friend's gear, not mine. which you didn't give much input on. instead you decided to troll my setup, which i didn't even explain until later in the thread
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Fenrir.Gradd
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By Fenrir.Gradd 2011-03-23 03:28:07
Shiva.Cerderic said: Fenrir.Gradd said: The majority if GOOD WS gear is Rare/Ex and very easy to get using the AH and lack of gil as an excuse just shows how ignorant you really are. this doesn't make sense. i'm sure it was simply a typo but please elaborate. you cannot buy Rrare/Ex gear on the AH.
It means stop being lazy and go kill NMs for gear, FFXI is not hard. Everything in the game can be duo'd, there is no excuse for not having up to date gear.
ITT: FFXI is hard.
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By Shiva.Cerderic 2011-03-23 03:28:36
Fenrir.Gradd said: Shiva.Cerderic said: my /WAR outdamages my /SAM. SORRY I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE GAME. >.>
No, it does not, you are Eyeballing and being very ignorant. i mentioned that i parsed this..?
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By Asura.Takinagi 2011-03-23 03:30:19
Shiva.Cerderic said: Fenrir.Gradd said: Shiva.Cerderic said: my /WAR outdamages my /SAM. SORRY I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE GAME. >.>
No, it does not, you are Eyeballing and being very ignorant. i mentioned that i parsed this..?
Lol.
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Fenrir.Gradd
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By Fenrir.Gradd 2011-03-23 03:30:34
Shiva.Cerderic said: Fenrir.Gradd said: Shiva.Cerderic said: my /WAR outdamages my /SAM. SORRY I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE GAME. >.>
No, it does not, you are Eyeballing and being very ignorant. i mentioned that i parsed this..?
Parses mean nothing. It comes down to Math, something you obviously have trouble with.
Parsing merely shows the skill level of the individual player, its not going to show you what sub job is better.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2011-03-23 03:31:04
Shiva.Cerderic said: Fenrir.Gradd said: Shiva.Cerderic said: my /WAR outdamages my /SAM. SORRY I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE GAME. >.>
No, it does not, you are Eyeballing and being very ignorant. i mentioned that i parsed this..? I'm pretty sure the first thing I said is that parsing doesn't tell you anything but the difference between you and the people you're playing with.
Someone could have played more or less aggressively. You could have played more or less aggressively, etc.
Math > parsing. EVERY TIME.
Parses don't tell you ***when it comes to gear and subjob comparisons. Only how much better or worse you are currently doing than the people you are playing with.
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By Shiva.Cerderic 2011-03-23 03:31:27
Fenrir.Gradd said: Shiva.Cerderic said: Fenrir.Gradd said: The majority if GOOD WS gear is Rare/Ex and very easy to get using the AH and lack of gil as an excuse just shows how ignorant you really are. this doesn't make sense. i'm sure it was simply a typo but please elaborate. you cannot buy Rrare/Ex gear on the AH.
It means stop being lazy and go kill NMs for gear, FFXI is not hard. Everything in the game can be duo'd, there is no excuse for not having up to date gear.
ITT: FFXI is hard. i'm not being lazy. DRG hasn't been my focus lately, as i have mentioned. if i wanted WS gear that bad i'd go out and get it, you're right, it's not that hard. right now i'm just getting what i NEED done. until lv99 getting a lot of gear is just a waste of time anyway. i haven't done anything that mattered on my DRG in months. i've soloed, duoed, and partied. i use my other jobs for events. so DRG gear isn't priority.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2011-03-23 03:32:54
Shiva.Cerderic said: Sylph.Tigerwoods said: ITT caps lock makes /war better than /drg.
Again if you don't have decent gear for you job, don't play it. How hard is that to understand.
I could outdamage your dragoon on my dancer or pup, hell, probably even my samurai. well this thread is about my friend's gear, not mine. which you didn't give much input on. instead you decided to troll my setup, which i didn't even explain until later in the thread I gave a lot of input on. I educated you/him on a superior sub and even gave him a set up to use and get a *** 5 hit and still keep his precious 26% haste.
Though, you're the last person who should be giving anyone advice in this game. You should just direct him to this thread so he can actually get his advice from a credible source. If I looked at you in game, I probably wouldn't want to take advice from you, either.
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By Fenrir.Enternius 2011-03-23 03:33:04
Fenrir.Gradd said: Shiva.Cerderic said: Fenrir.Gradd said: Shiva.Cerderic said: my /WAR outdamages my /SAM. SORRY I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE GAME. >.>
No, it does not, you are Eyeballing and being very ignorant. i mentioned that i parsed this..?
Parses mean nothing. It comes down to Math, something you obviously have trouble with.
Parsing merely shows the skill level of the individual player, its not going to show you what sub job is better. So what you're saying is
Fenrir.Gradd said: Who *** cares what works best for you, jump on the bandwagon and do it like everyone else even though it makes you worse at your job.
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I've tried to convince my friend to look into getting a 6-hit for his drg, and he was very strict that he would not give up any haste; which i understand completely. so i've made up this set for him.
i know it's not a true 6-hit. but i can explain how it works.
492 Delay 22 STP = 16.2 TP per hit.
Spirit Jump and Soul Jump return 5 hits worth of TP
Lancer's feet +1 add 2.5 TP to Spirit Jump; Lancer's feet +2 add 5 TP.
*Without Lancer's Schynbalds, you have to swap in 5 more STP in your jump gear, for a total of 27. (Ace's Sabatons or Goading Belt work well)
(27STP Jumps)16.8 x 5 = 84 + (22STP Gear)16.2 = 100.2
*With Lancer's Schynbalds +1 you have to swap in 1 more STP in your jump gear if you wanted, for a total of 23. (Chivalrous chain is an easy fix.)
Jumps: 492 delay & 23 STP = 16.3
(23STP Jumps)16.3 x 5 = 81.5 + (22STP Gear)16.2 = 97.7 + 2.5 = 100.2
*With Lancer's Schynbalds +2 you can actually swap in LESS STP in your jump gear, but you need at least 19.
(19STP Jumps)15.8 x 5 = 79 + (22STP Gear)16.2 = 95.2 + 5 = 100.2
Drakesbane returns 1 hit worth of TP + 3 (If all hits land).
For this setup to work, you would need to WS in at least 21 STP in gear. (Which the only issue I'd see with that is full-timing the body > Twilight mail, & imo that's not too much to ask, it's still a great piece for WSing.)
(21STP WS)16 + 3 = 19
(22STP Gear)16.2 x 5 = 81 + 19 = 100
(Note: This would require all hits from drakesbane to land. But with the Acc from Gugnir and everything else, i find it a non-issue. The OPTIONAL Moonshade Earring I believe would be a good fix to any misses, if augmented with Regain. Between a few TP from Regain, and the occasional extra you'd get from Jump gear, you'd indefinitely have no problem getting 100%.)
Anything that doesn't have STP on it is interchangeable (especially Neck & Legs). This set is based on the gear my friend has, but mostly i'd like to think it's perfect, or damn near it.
Comments please :D
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