Ifrit.Eikechi said:
Siren.Enternius said:
No one loses anything in the case of piracy. Not even game companies lose any money.
More importantly I could care less if someone making billions gets $40 less lol.
Piracy, Is It Truly Wrong?
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Piracy, Is it truly wrong?
How does a company not lose money by not selling 1 more product? Just curious how you think that.... More importantly I could care less if someone making billions gets $40 less lol. Ifrit.Eikechi said: Siren.Enternius said: No one loses anything in the case of piracy. Not even game companies lose any money. How does a company not lose money by not selling 1 more product? Just curious how you think that.... These companies don't automatically reserve 60 dollars of my money when they release a game. If I don't buy a game, I just don't buy it. They don't lose money. They just don't gain any. It's not like I'm depriving them of a sale, I probably wouldn't have bothered to play the game in the first place if I had to pay 60 dollars for 8 hours of gameplay. Ramuh.Dasva said: ALot of them just couldn't afford it so wouldn't. Or if they could they wouldn't waste the money on an untried game. Rental companies say hi.... And ***..I've bought some REALLY SHITTY games....I'm looking at you Unlimited Saga...Wasted money sucks, but its part of life I suppose lol. Bad choices and such... Siren.Enternius said: Well look at it this way. These companies don't automatically reserve 60 dollars of my money when they release a game. If I don't buy a game, I just don't buy it. They don't lose money. They just don't gain any. It's not like I'm depriving them of a sale, I probably wouldn't have bothered to play the game in the first place if I had to pay 60 dollars for 8 hours of gameplay. Ok...thats a good point I didn't quite realize...carry on good sir, you are correct lol. THAT being said.. 8 hours of gameplay is why I deter from buying certain game types and why I LOVE RPGs lol. I played some for well over 100h (some of which clocked out at 99h 59m 59s lol) Why have the chance of making bad choices, when you can eradicate that chance at no personal loss?
Ifrit.Eikechi said: Ramuh.Dasva said: ALot of them just couldn't afford it so wouldn't. Or if they could they wouldn't waste the money on an untried game. Probably the whole thing about you could just buy the game for the cost of renting it for a month or so. Which if you don't have alot of time to play or play multiple things might be how long it takes you to really give a game a chance. Hell half the time you can just buy a used copy for not much more than 1 rental If it pans out ok I'll buy it. Well brand new games might not also be emulated, or its hard to find...I personally don't use rental companies anymore. Haven't in a long *** time. If I buy a game, its either A) A franchise I know and love (I'm looking at you FF13 which was good imho but lets not derail this thread about that lol). or B) A REALLY REALLY interesting looking game that got semi decent reviews or that has a very cool concept (How I got into ther persona RPG series..some of which are the best games I've ever played).
Ramuh.Dasva said: While I will agree it's against the law I wouldn't call it wrong. And it's only against the law because people with too much money already want to have even more. And money (or those with it) influence the laws ALOT Seems silly, because it is silly...and hypocritical lol
Phoenix.Elaenia said: Ramuh.Dasva said: While I will agree it's against the law I wouldn't call it wrong. And it's only against the law because people with too much money already want to have even more. And money (or those with it) influence the laws ALOT Laws and morals are 2 different things. Just because it is against he law doesn't make it wrong. And no I don't just mean all those stupid outdated laws out there. There are plenty that are just rediculous. But we obey them (more or less) because there are consequences. On top of that morals are subjective anyways. Just cause you think they are wrong doesn't mean it is and certainly doesn't mean they think they are well, yeah, but these people are claiming to be moral saints because they do things like playing ffxi without those 3rd party programs like windower that are made by the devil. not because they're upstanding citizens who donate to charities and etc. :p which is why it seems so silly to me that they act so high and mighty over 3rd party programs in a game while sitting on huge piles of pirated games. :c
Ifrit.Eikechi said: Siren.Enternius said: Well look at it this way. These companies don't automatically reserve 60 dollars of my money when they release a game. If I don't buy a game, I just don't buy it. They don't lose money. They just don't gain any. It's not like I'm depriving them of a sale, I probably wouldn't have bothered to play the game in the first place if I had to pay 60 dollars for 8 hours of gameplay. Ok...thats a good point I didn't quite realize...carry on good sir, you are correct lol. THAT being said.. 8 hours of gameplay is why I deter from buying certain game types and why I LOVE RPGs lol. I played some for well over 100h (some of which clocked out at 99h 59m 59s lol) Sure, you can argue that they're 50 dollars at launch, 15 dollars a month, and extra money for expansions/addons. And you can argue that after 6 years, you've spent 1,310 dollars on the game. But just think about that for a second. What other entertainment medium costs 1,310 dollars for 6 years of continuous entertainment and enjoyment? If you put that into terms of 8-hour games for 60 dollars: 8 * 3=24, so 180 dollars for 24 hours of gameplay. 24 hours * 365 = 8760 hours per year 8760 * 6 = 52560 hours in 6 years. Do the math, that's 9,460,800 dollars for 6 years of continuous entertainment from retail-priced video games, each lasting 8 hours. Now 1,310 dollars doesn't seem so bad, does it?
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Playing Final Fantasy XI saved me so much money in the long run.
Exactly Ent, I'm 110% with ya on that
Meh not wanting to cheat your fellow gamers is completely different then not wanting to spend a fortune on games to line the pockets of people with too much to begin with
I do both.
Well I don't bot, but I use windower and Ap-radar. Using bots that directly hurt other people doesn't sit well with me though, be them Claim-bots or aim-bots. Game developers still lose a lot of money through piracy, I don't see how you can refute that. Same with CDs/other media. It's still wrong, but I can't really white knight it what with my HDDs full of downloaded anime/music.
Botting is where I draw the line also.
I wouldn't even bot in FFXI if I were paid to do it. Yet I use Windower almost exclusively, to the point where I can't even play it on Xbox or PS2 because Windower just makes the game so much better. Ifrit.Darkanaseur said: Game developers still lose a lot of money through piracy, I don't see how you can refute that. Same with CDs/other media. It's still wrong, but I can't really white knight it what with my HDDs full of downloaded anime/music. Siren.Enternius said: I wouldn't even bot in FFXI if I were paid to do it. Yet I use Windower almost exclusively, to the point where I can't even play it on Xbox or PS2 because Windower just makes the game so much better. Until recently I still used that same version I think. I mean yeah it's hella outdated and has almost no plug ins. But it played in window mode and did it much better than the SE version that finally got released Ramuh.Dasva said: Ifrit.Darkanaseur said: Game developers still lose a lot of money through piracy, I don't see how you can refute that. Same with CDs/other media. It's still wrong, but I can't really white knight it what with my HDDs full of downloaded anime/music. i can't help but imagine that every victory you make in an argument is celebrated by playing swordfish guitar :<
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Phoenix.Elaenia said: i can't help but imagine that every victory you make in an argument is celebrated by playing swordfish guitar :< Ifrit.Darkanaseur said: Miss his old avatar I think it was Elfen Lied?
Ifrit.Darkanaseur said: I think it was Elfen Lied? Ramuh.Dasva said: Phoenix.Elaenia said: i can't help but imagine that every victory you make in an argument is celebrated by playing swordfish guitar :<  Ramuh.Dasva said: Ifrit.Darkanaseur said: I think it was Elfen Lied? I think it was Lucy and that other girl hugging. I dunno if it was Elfen Lied, looked like it to me though Siren.Enternius said: Ramuh.Dasva said: Phoenix.Elaenia said: i can't help but imagine that every victory you make in an argument is celebrated by playing swordfish guitar :< Movie was sad :<
Ifrit.Darkanaseur said: Ramuh.Dasva said: Ifrit.Darkanaseur said: I think it was Elfen Lied? |
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