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Petition - Make Entropy Stronger
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By Siren.Kalilla 2011-12-02 22:35:29
lol
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By Bahamut.Zangada 2011-12-02 22:36:09
Looks like my stalker is back
Uhhh, what?
You always manage to have some smart *** comment after i make a post.
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By Lakshmi.Konvict 2011-12-02 22:44:33
lol @ useless thread
Get an Apoc, you won't be disapointed doing 3k+ Cata! and 20% ODD and 10% haste am om nom nom nom nom
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By Mishaa 2011-12-02 22:45:27
ITT: pointing out useless comments is "stalking"
On a more positive note, Entropy appears to be strong than I'd anticipated.
how strong did you expect it to be? It was going to be stronger that guillotine at 4 hits, despite its ftp supposedly being .75, because of the 100% mod. It is still comparatively weak I think.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-12-02 22:50:28
ITT: pointing out useless comments is "stalking"
On a more positive note, Entropy appears to be strong than I'd anticipated.
There was nothing wrong with my comment, just some ppl have nothing better to do then be ***. Weapons that would be considered decent at best on most other jobs don't really count for a lot. A band-aid on a gaping wound, if you will.
ITT: pointing out useless comments is "stalking"
On a more positive note, Entropy appears to be strong than I'd anticipated.
how strong did you expect it to be? It was going to be stronger that guillotine at 4 hits, despite its ftp supposedly being .75, because of the 100% mod. It is still comparatively weak I think. I was actually coming back to correct that statement, my original estimation was way off. Studio Gobli currently estimates an fTP of 0.75 (so 3.75 total), I haven't gotten a WS yet that would disprove that.
By Mishaa 2011-12-03 21:59:08
Some new info on the weapon skill, it is unconfirmed but some people have told me that entropy is .75 ftp on ALL hits not just the first like it is with most / all other multi-hit weapon skills. So its basically raging rush with an int mod (a higher % but none the less) and no chance to crit...
Didn't they change raging rush way back when because it was too weak?
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2011-12-03 22:57:09
So what is the actual damage from this ws looking like?
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By Ragnarok.Returner 2011-12-03 23:06:52
about 10% better than guillotine if geared right with elemental gorget/belt is my guess.
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By Titan.Bomber 2011-12-03 23:27:15
lol SE has always given scythe shitty WSs....why cant they add a STR or crit hit modded WS to scythe? what if u dont f-ing like GS :P as DRK u shouldnt be forced to use a GS cuz u want high dmg ..scythe has the strongest swings but WSs have always been depressing dmg SE keeps talking about balance...scythe has no balance at all :P
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By Mishaa 2011-12-03 23:30:01
lol SE has always given scythe shitty WSs....why cant they add a STR or crit hit modded WS to scythe? what if u dont f-ing like GS :P as DRK u shouldnt be forced to use a GS cuz u want high dmg ..scythe has the strongest swings but WSs have always been depressing dmg SE keeps talking about balance...scythe has no balance at all :P
There were also some official statements about wanting to make scythe a better option for drk a ways back if im not mistaken... yeah this is making it happen~
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2011-12-03 23:45:09
lol SE has always given scythe shitty WSs....why cant they add a STR or crit hit modded WS to scythe? what if u dont f-ing like GS :P as DRK u shouldnt be forced to use a GS cuz u want high dmg ..scythe has the strongest swings but WSs have always been depressing dmg SE keeps talking about balance...scythe has no balance at all :P
It isn't that horribly unbalanced. You said it yourself, Scythe is already (one of) the strongest DoT weapons that exists. Entropy only needs a bit of a boost in http://fTP.
1.75~2.75 on the first hit, 1.0 on subsequent hits.
T'would increase the damage enough to where it's one of DRK's better weaponskills and when coupled with Scythe's already high DoT potential will provide the balance you're striving to achieve.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Dawnn 2011-12-03 23:47:05
Honestly it looks fine. It's the best scythe weaponskill for Beastmaster.
ahahahaha
XD i really did lol...
ANYWAYS I didn't even think of that! I am all for making entropy stronger, but i forgot that more jobs than drk can actually use it
although i don't think if it gets buffed it would make non-drks have a reason to use it.. but ill give you credit for pointing out something i didn't think about for sure
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By Diabolos.Raelia 2011-12-04 00:31:59
Wow what a waste of a thread.
Sad news for all of you saying 'ITS FINE!': Entropy is 0.75 fTP across ALL hits. People being 99 on the test server is whats making it look like ~lv85 Guillotine (which was the last time most of us used it). It's laughably weak.
Entropy needs a buff or Scythe will be deader than Bruce Wayne's parents. I don't want to hear any of this 'utility' bullsh*t because a 300mp restore doesn't solve DRK having sh*t for spells to actually cast.
Still pushin' for Entropy to be eight hits, now with 0.75 across all hits. Might as well delete Scythe from the game otherwise because GS now does everything better, even and especially Souleater (the last bastion of Guillotine use).
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By Fenrir.Skarwind 2011-12-04 00:34:06
Wow what a waste of a thread.
Entropy is 0.75 fTP across ALL hits. People being 99 on the test server is whats making it look like ~lv85 Guillotine (which was the last time most of us used it). It's laughably weak.
Entropy needs a buff or Scythe will be deader than Bruce Wayne's parents. I don't want to hear any of this 'utility' bullsh*t because a 300mp restore doesn't solve DRK having sh*t for spells to actually cast.
Still pushin' for Entropy to be eight hits, now with 0.75 across all hits. Might as well delete Scythe from the game otherwise.
GAXE might be a possibility for DRK now as a secondary weapon because of how Upheaval is.
GSWORD Primary, GAXE Secondary... Ugh that would make for a ***storm.
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By Diabolos.Raelia 2011-12-04 00:37:42
GAXE might be a possibility for DRK now as a secondary weapon because of how Upheaval is.
GSWORD Primary, GAXE Secondary... Ugh that would make for a ***storm Yeah I'm not even pushing for Scythe to be relevant just because I like the weapon or own a decent one or just don't want to use GS at all (have a Torcsword already just as soon as I finish VNMs), I'm just tired of SE thinking they can put out another Guillotine clone/sidegrade with a gimmick intended for those morons who cast 200+mp worth of spells between WSes. What in the Holy Ballsack of the God Emperor of Mankind are they doing? Spamming Blizzard III?
This makes everything I know about good game design just want to shy away in a corner and blow it's *** brains out.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2011-12-04 00:39:46
GAXE might be a possibility for DRK now as a secondary weapon because of how Upheaval is.
GSWORD Primary, GAXE Secondary... Ugh that would make for a ***storm Yeah I'm not even pushing for Scythe to be relevant just because I like the weapon or own a decent one or just don't want to use GS at all (have a Torcsword already just as soon as I finish VNMs), I'm just tired of SE thinking they can put out another Guillotine clone/sidegrade with a gimmick intended for those morons who cast 200+mp worth of spells between WSes. What in the Holy Ballsack of the God Emperor of Mankind are they doing? Spamming Blizzard III?
This makes everything I know about good game design just want to shy away in a corner and blow it's *** brains out. Nuke kiting with crimson legs and /SAM for Seigan+Third Eye and WS at 100% TP to get MP back.
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By Diabolos.Raelia 2011-12-04 00:42:11
Nuke kiting with crimson legs and /SAM for Seigan+Third Eye and WS at 100% TP to get MP back. Kiting with just a decent Drain II would probably outdamage that XD
Anyway, I've already put up enough of a bitchfest on the official forums and now my forum account has finally caught on to me not having put any crysta in this month, so I did what I could and we'll see if SE takes my dare to make Entropy 8*0.75.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2011-12-04 01:00:50
It baffles me as to how 8 hits with its obvious consequences is being seen as superior to just a straight fTP boost.
"It's plain and boring!"
Are you going to see those extra four hits? No? No, you won't, but you will see the whiffs. Those whiffs aren't generating any extra damage, sorry to say.
What you're asking for is a WS to use on trash.
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By Pandemonium.Anookulchandra 2011-12-04 01:20:19
So... my spiral ring is still good in this next update....?
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By Mishaa 2011-12-04 01:25:08
Valefor.Prothescar said: »It baffles me as to how 8 hits with its obvious consequences is being seen as superior to just a straight fTP boost.
"It's plain and boring!"
Are you going to see those extra four hits? No? No, you won't, but you will see the whiffs. Those whiffs aren't generating any extra damage, sorry to say.
What you're asking for is a WS to use on trash.
Well, i think the reason for the 8 hits is it puts it above the new GS ws for souleater spike use.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2011-12-04 01:27:04
Valefor.Prothescar said: »It baffles me as to how 8 hits with its obvious consequences is being seen as superior to just a straight fTP boost.
"It's plain and boring!"
Are you going to see those extra four hits? No? No, you won't, but you will see the whiffs. Those whiffs aren't generating any extra damage, sorry to say.
What you're asking for is a WS to use on trash.
Well, i think the reason for the 8 hits is it puts it above the new GS ws for souleater spike use.
How.. does that...
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By Carbuncle.Lynxblade 2011-12-04 01:29:16
Valefor.Prothescar said: »It baffles me as to how 8 hits with its obvious consequences is being seen as superior to just a straight fTP boost.
"It's plain and boring!"
Are you going to see those extra four hits? No? No, you won't, but you will see the whiffs. Those whiffs aren't generating any extra damage, sorry to say.
What you're asking for is a WS to use on trash.
Well, i think the reason for the 8 hits is it puts it above the new GS ws for souleater spike use.
If your at capped accuracy which is 95%, no matter what your best chance to land all 8 hits is I think is 66%.
By Mishaa 2011-12-04 01:36:44
Valefor.Prothescar said: »Valefor.Prothescar said: »It baffles me as to how 8 hits with its obvious consequences is being seen as superior to just a straight fTP boost.
"It's plain and boring!"
Are you going to see those extra four hits? No? No, you won't, but you will see the whiffs. Those whiffs aren't generating any extra damage, sorry to say.
What you're asking for is a WS to use on trash.
Well, i think the reason for the 8 hits is it puts it above the new GS ws for souleater spike use.
How.. does that...
Just figured that would be the only real advantage of 8 hit over some other # of hits with a ftp increase.
Helloo FFXIAH,
People here get very opinionated so I'll try to keep this short and simple.
I am trying to build support for a petition I made on the official forums that hopes to bring the damage from our upcoming scythe weaponskill up.
What I propose is simple, support or do not~ nothing more is needed.
If you would like to support this cause you can go here :
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/17597-dev1049-Petition-Make-entropy-stronger
Edit(seen people link news articles, hopefully this wouldnt be against the rules)
Like the OP and feel free to share friendly thoughts on the matter.
This is not a debate thread, it is simply to show support for the idea.
If you do not support this idea, Oor if you're just too lazy to do anything ... You can resume normal activity.
~Best wishes
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